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   >Which is why anti god people can exercise their free will thinking.   
      
   So why couldn't some of that dominion be taken back, if it's leading   
   to inefficiency in, shall we say, harvesting souls?  And the ability   
   of anti-god people to exercise free will in thinking was not at issue   
   at this point in the conversation.   
      
   >It is also why Jesus said to pray that the will of the Father be free to   
   >operate on earth, as He does in heaven.   
      
   If the Father knows all, what's the point of asking about it?   
      
   >>   
   >> > > Oh, and also he doesn't close his eyes when he prays. I found that   
   >> > > to be kind of strange.   
   >> >   
   >> > Many others do as well, I say that because of several leaders I know do it   
   >> > both ways in public. There is no formula for prayers. After all, in the   
   old   
   >> > days when one presented their case to their kings for consideration, they   
   >> > did   
   >> > so with eyes open when they said, I pray thee Lord so and so.   
   >> > In speaking to God he sees the heart and its intent.   
   >>   
   >> So do you pray to God with your eyes open? Why or why not?   
   >   
   >Sometimes either way. If I my driving and I see something like an accident   
   >with people attending to whoever was involved I pray for them in a variety of   
   >ways. Obviously with my eyes open. Sometimes I do the same when I am reading,   
   >or writing, or see and or hear news of bad things happening, same when good   
   >things are happening to give praise. At home in private, normally I close my   
   >eyes Just because...and it helps keep one focused.   
      
   Wow.  Do you even bow when you pray, to at least show respect for your   
   god?   
      
   >> > > > If you cared about your life after death, then you should check your   
   >> > > > options.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > I don't care about it strictly because I don't believe it. It's not   
   >> > > as if I saw, it believed it, and decided not to "check my options."   
   >> >   
   >> > Yet you cannot deny that you never heard of it. So when you see the   
   reality   
   >> > of it that you won’t be able to say ‘I was never warned’.   
   >>   
   >> There is insufficient evidence to constitute being "warned."   
   >   
   >Not at all, because someone ignores it and acts all indifferent to a warning   
   >because they did not feel any imminent threat or danger does not dismiss or   
   >diminish the warning. Noah warned men of the impending flood for 120 years as   
   >he and his family built the ark. All he got was jeers, mocking, etc. but when   
   >he got into the ark and sealed the doors and then there came rain and it did   
   >not stop. You can bet people changed their minds.   
      
   If God sets things up so that they look like they can be mocked, and   
   then those things are mocked, whose fault is that?   
      
   >> > > > Why? Because the default is Hell and then the Lake of Fire.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > The idea of Hell is pure barbarism.   
   >> >   
   >> > That too is the thought of those against the death penalty for rape and   
   >> > murder. And the same arguments are made against that. In spite of the fact   
   >> > that these people are often repeat offenders. Now that same thinking is in   
   >> > place in many cities for any crime resulting in Prison time.   
   >>   
   >> Torture has no place in a civilized society, regardless of the crime,   
   >> so it's far less civilized if it goes on for *years* -- or worst of   
   >> all, *forever.*   
   >   
   >Some people get their kicks from being tortured. Even pay for it.   
   >There are many forms of torment. And there are varying degrees of torment in   
   >the lake of Fire based on the actions and intents of those that are sent   
   >there. It was never meant for man. It was designed for Lucifer and his   
   >angels. All who go there will not why, and will know why they are deserving   
   >of it, not that it lessens their suffering.   
      
   If some people get their kicks from being tortured, why don't you go   
   find them and torture them?  That would be fun for everyone, wouldn't   
   it?  Now, Hell may have been meant for Lucifer, but you believe it now   
   accommodates humans as well, but even the savage Native Americans   
   wouldn't spend more than an afternoon torturing someone to death.  Can   
   you imagine, then, what kind of a diabolic God would spend a billion   
   afternoons torturing someone in Hell?   
      
   >When bad things happen to bad people, it is called karma by many, and others   
   >feel it is well justified.   
   >There is nothing on this earth that can ease the torment that a child has   
   >from suffering sexual abuse, and all their lives they live with the effects   
   >of it. Same with other crimes against humanity. How much suffering does the   
   >offender deserve? Especially when a simple death sentence does not restore   
   >the abused, nor would it lessen the Childs pain throughout their life by   
   >knowing the offender was paying a lifetime sentence. Something to think   
   >about.   
      
   You seem to have forgotten about when bad things happen to good   
   people, or when good things happen to bad people -- a failure of   
   karma.  Now, how many *years* of fiendish torture in the fires of Hell   
   do you believe are necessary when dealing with child molesters?   
      
   >> > > > If Miracles still occur there must be a reason behind it.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > You're getting ahead of yourself there.   
   >> >   
   >> > I disagree, because miracles have been happening for 2K years.   
   >>   
   >> Because your YouTube videos told you so?   
   >   
   >That is a ridiculous slam.   
      
   What sources do you use besides YouTube, that lead you to believe   
   miracles have been happening for 2K years (should be 6K, but, then   
   those are your beliefs, not mine)?   
      
   >> > I know of several deaths brought back to life when it was medically   
   >> > impossible to do. One being a healthy baby in the womb but when Born was   
   >> > born dead. No cord around its neck, etc. They were able to treat the body   
   and   
   >> > recover it, but for 8 days it was unresponsive and the said brain dead.   
   And   
   >> > recommend pulling the plug and after eight days of prayer, etc. it open   
   his   
   >> > eyes, and from there on started acting like a normal child, that was   
   about 6   
   >> > or so years ago, and the child is above his peers in learning and that was   
   >> > observed when he was three as well. Normal in all things.   
   >>   
   >> LOL! Cite? Or is this another one of your YouTube videos? And yet so   
   >> many babies are still-born or are involved in a miscarriage, that it's   
   >> clear that there is no heavenly being protecting these young lives.   
   >   
   >See there the mocking and accusations? I knew the family.   
      
   Did you know the other families as well? And what was the name of the   
   family you described above?   
      
   In general, you need to read up on OBEs.   
      
   From   
      
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-body_experience#OBE_theories   
      
   "Terence Hines (2003) has written that spontaneous out-of-body   
   experiences can be generated by artificial stimulation of the brain   
   and this strongly suggests that the OBE is caused by "temporary, minor   
   brain malfunctions, not by the person's spirit actually leaving the   
   body."[73] In a study review of neurological and neurocognitive data,   
   Bünning and Blanke (2005) wrote that OBEs are due to "functional   
   disintegration of lower-level multisensory processing and abnormal   
   higher-level self-processing at the temporoparietal junction."[74]   
   Some scientists suspect that OBEs are the result of a mismatch between   
   visual and tactile signals.[75][76]"   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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