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   > > That too is the thought of those against the death penalty for rape and   
   > > murder. And the same arguments are made against that. In spite of the fact   
   > > that these people are often repeat offenders. Now that same thinking is in   
   > > place in many cities for any crime resulting in Prison time.   
   >   
   > Torture has no place in a civilized society, regardless of the crime,   
   > so it's far less civilized if it goes on for *years* -- or worst of   
   > all, *forever.*   
      
   Some people get their kicks from being tortured. Even pay for it.   
   There are many forms of torment. And there are varying degrees of torment in   
   the lake of Fire based on the actions and intents of those that are sent   
   there. It was never meant for man. It was designed for Lucifer and his   
   angels. All who go there will not why, and will know why they are deserving   
   of it, not that it lessens their suffering.   
      
   When bad things happen to bad people, it is called karma by many, and others   
   feel it is well justified.   
   There is nothing on this earth that can ease the torment that a child has   
   from suffering sexual abuse, and all their lives they live with the effects   
   of it. Same with other crimes against humanity. How much suffering does the   
   offender deserve? Especially when a simple death sentence does not restore   
   the abused, nor would it lessen the Childs pain throughout their life by   
   knowing the offender was paying a lifetime sentence. Something to think   
   about.   
      
   >   
   >   
   > > > > If Miracles still occur there must be a reason behind it.   
   > > >   
   > > > You're getting ahead of yourself there.   
   > >   
   > > I disagree, because miracles have been happening for 2K years.   
   >   
   > Because your YouTube videos told you so?   
      
   That is a ridiculous slam.   
   >   
   >   
   > > I know of several deaths brought back to life when it was medically   
   > > impossible to do. One being a healthy baby in the womb but when Born was   
   > > born dead. No cord around its neck, etc. They were able to treat the body   
   and   
   > > recover it, but for 8 days it was unresponsive and the said brain dead. And   
   > > recommend pulling the plug and after eight days of prayer, etc. it open his   
   > > eyes, and from there on started acting like a normal child, that was about   
   6   
   > > or so years ago, and the child is above his peers in learning and that was   
   > > observed when he was three as well. Normal in all things.   
   >   
   > LOL! Cite? Or is this another one of your YouTube videos? And yet so   
   > many babies are still-born or are involved in a miscarriage, that it's   
   > clear that there is no heavenly being protecting these young lives.   
      
   See there the mocking and accusations? I knew the family.   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > > > > > You wanted proof of a real and current miracle, here is one   
   for you to   
   > > > > > > > > put   
   > > > > > > > > on   
   > > > > > > > > the books, not only the reality of a miracle, but also what he   
   saw and   
   > > > > > > > > was   
   > > > > > > > > shown in heaven. So it is all verifiable.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > What you all find hard to believe is that this is the same   
   Jesus that   
   > > > > > > > > I   
   > > > > > > > > have   
   > > > > > > > > been telling you all about, and he experienced an on site   
   visitation   
   > > > > > > > > with   
   > > > > > > > > Jesus, as well as the Heavenly Father. His experience proves   
   also   
   > > > > > > > > what I   
   > > > > > > > > have   
   > > > > > > > > experienced, but his was fuller and all in a very short period   
   of   
   > > > > > > > > time.   
   > > > > > > > > While   
   > > > > > > > > mine was a bunch when I was first saved, and then added to in   
   my walk   
   > > > > > > > > with   
   > > > > > > > > Jesus, and learned over the years from studying the Bible and   
   talking   
   > > > > > > > > to   
   > > > > > > > > God   
   > > > > > > > > in prayer over the years.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > IOW This is real, how real? Listen and watch him and you can   
   get a   
   > > > > > > > > taste   
   > > > > > > > > or   
   > > > > > > > > dose of reality that will or should astound you.   
      
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