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   > No, the plural of God in the book of Genesis is just a remnant of   
   > early Israelite polytheism. It has nothing to do with God the Father.   
      
   It was mentioned before there were any Israelites. The young man mentioned   
   the realities of that without making a big point about it, for which I’d   
   bet many religious types will flack him for it, as well as calling him a   
   total fraud because it does not match up with their supposed doctrines of   
   men. Jesus when he returned to the Father was seated at the right hand of the   
   Heavenly Father. NOT on the throne of the Heavenly Father.   
      
   >   
   > > > > > > > Oh, and also he doesn't close his eyes when he prays. I   
   > found that   
   > > > > > > > to be kind of strange.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Many others do as well, I say that because of several leaders I   
   know do   
   > > > > > > it   
   > > > > > > both ways in public. There is no formula for prayers. After all,   
   in the   
   > > > > > > old   
   > > > > > > days when one presented their case to their kings for   
   consideration,   
   > > > > > > they   
   > > > > > > did   
   > > > > > > so with eyes open when they said, I pray thee Lord so and so.   
   > > > > > > In speaking to God he sees the heart and its intent.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > So do you pray to God with your eyes open? Why or why not?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Sometimes either way. If I my driving and I see something like an   
   accident   
   > > > > with people attending to whoever was involved I pray for them in a   
   variety   
   > > > > of   
   > > > > ways. Obviously with my eyes open. Sometimes I do the same when I am   
   > > > > reading,   
   > > > > or writing, or see and or hear news of bad things happening, same when   
   > > > > good   
   > > > > things are happening to give praise. At home in private, normally I   
   close   
   > > > > my   
   > > > > eyes Just because...and it helps keep one focused.   
   > > >   
   > > > Wow. Do you even bow when you pray, to at least show respect for your   
   > > > god?   
   > >   
   > > And home I bend the knee to him. And on occasion on my face, depending.   
   > > He saved me both in this life as well as the next. He spared my life   
   several   
   > > times, and I cannot thank him enough for that.   
   >   
   > But if he hadn't saved your life, you would be in heaven right now,   
   > wouldn't you? Is that situation good or bad? And why would God spare   
   > your life and not others?   
      
   Perhaps, I don’t really know for sure, because at those times my life was   
   not right before God. He saved me I am sure because of a couple things, one   
   he wanted me to be spiritually saved, the other because of the prayers of my   
   concerned mother. I know that the fear of death was not with me. Only that I   
   knew at that time is was a very real possibility. I cannot fully understand   
   it, neither then or afterwards, or even now. I am however, thankful to Him   
   for it.   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > > > > > If you cared about your life after death, then you should   
   check your   
   > > > > > > > > options.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > I don't care about it strictly because I don't believe it. It's   
   not   
   > > > > > > > as if I saw, it believed it, and decided not to "check my   
   options."   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Yet you cannot deny that you never heard of it. So when you see the   
   > > > > > > reality   
   > > > > > > of it that you won’t be able to say ‘I was never warned’.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > There is insufficient evidence to constitute being "warned."   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Not at all, because someone ignores it and acts all indifferent to a   
   > > > > warning   
   > > > > because they did not feel any imminent threat or danger does not   
   dismiss   
   > > > > or   
   > > > > diminish the warning. Noah warned men of the impending flood for 120   
   years   
   > > > > as he and his family built the ark. All he got was jeers, mocking, etc.   
   > > > > but   
   > > > > when   
   > > > > he got into the ark and sealed the doors and then there came rain and   
   it   
   > > > > did   
   > > > > not stop. You can bet people changed their minds.   
   > > >   
   > > > If God sets things up so that they look like they can be mocked, and   
   > > > then those things are mocked, whose fault is that?   
   > >   
   > > It depends on your view point, mine is different. In any event, when the   
   > > rains started pouring down, and the water started rising, the mocking   
   > > stopped. Why was that?   
   >   
   > The point is, there should've been no mocking to begin with, if God   
   > were sensible.   
      
   Why is that? Is it not part of human nature that it born into sin to mock God   
   and those who follow him?   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > > > > > Why? Because the default is Hell and then the Lake of Fire.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > The idea of Hell is pure barbarism.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > That too is the thought of those against the death penalty for   
   rape and   
   > > > > > > murder. And the same arguments are made against that. In spite of   
   the   
   > > > > > > fact   
   > > > > > > that these people are often repeat offenders. Now that same   
   thinking is   
   > > > > > > in   
   > > > > > > place in many cities for any crime resulting in Prison time.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Torture has no place in a civilized society, regardless of the crime,   
   > > > > > so it's far less civilized if it goes on for *years* -- or worst of   
   > > > > > all, *forever.*   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Some people get their kicks from being tortured. Even pay for it.   
   > > > > There are many forms of torment. And there are varying degrees of   
   torment   
   > > > > in   
   > > > > the lake of Fire based on the actions and intents of those that are   
   sent   
   > > > > there. It was never meant for man. It was designed for Lucifer and his   
   > > > > angels. All who go there will not why, and will know why they are   
   > > > > deserving   
   > > > > of it, not that it lessens their suffering.   
   > > >   
   > > > If some people get their kicks from being tortured, why don't you go   
   > > > find them and torture them? That would be fun for everyone, wouldn't   
   > > > it? Now, Hell may have been meant for Lucifer, but you believe it now   
   > > > accommodates humans as well, but even the savage Native Americans   
   > > > wouldn't spend more than an afternoon torturing someone to death. Can   
   > > > you imagine, then, what kind of a diabolic God would spend a billion   
   > > > afternoons torturing someone in Hell?   
   > >   
   > > It is not for man to judge, for he looks on the outward appearance where as   
   > > God looks at the heart.   
   >   
   > That has nothing to do with a fiendish God torturing people in Hell.   
      
   Have you ever had occasion to beat yourself up because of a stupid mistake,   
   or judgment?   
   If so, and you found yourself after death outside of Heaven and dwelling in a   
   place with total absences of love in any form, absent of peace, dwelling with   
   millions of others just like you, and everything about you was dead, no   
   living vegetation, no water, etc. There is no joy there, just a bunch of   
   Karens along with Satan and his demons mocking you as an image of God who   
   they hate, and then you replay in your mind all the errors big and small as   
   you relive those there. All those things being a choice you personally made   
   and are responsible for. That alone would be a torment without end, and all   
   if it of your own making.   
      
   >   
   >   
   > > What God would give a man a billion afternoons of peace and pure delights?   
   > > And what God would want a billion Karen’s there to oppose him and the   
   > > people that entered heaven?   
   >   
   > Non sequitur.   
   Can’t relate. Eh?   
      
   >   
   >   
   > > In Revelation it speaks of those believers being tortured for up to 10   
   days.   
   > > Samson was tortured for much longer. In the dark ages the RCC tortured for   
   > > days and often until death. Those were not acts of God, it was pure evil.   
   >   
      
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