XPost: alt.religion.christian   
   From: .robert@mu.way   
      
   On Oct 20, 2025, James wrote   
   (Message-ID:):   
      
   > On Fri, 17 Oct 2025 19:57:55 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way>  wrote:   
   >   
   > > On Oct 17, 2025, James wrote   
   > > (Message-ID:):   
   > >   
   > > > Lake of Fire = torture on a scale unheard of.   
   > > >   
   > > > Many people and churches believe the Lake of Fire is literal. People   
   > > > tossed into there are not allowed to die, and literally 'burn to life   
   > > > everlasting. Can you smell the burning flesh yet? What about the   
   > > > creator of it? If you believe Jesus is God, then Jesus created it.   
   > > >   
   > > > The Bible says our God is this:   
   > > >   
   > > > -- King James   
   > > > 1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.   
   > > >   
   > > > Now be honest. Have you ever met a person who is clothed in love, but   
   > > > also tortures people? Can real LOVE and TORTURE exist together in a   
   > > > sane person? They are complete opposites!!!   
   > > >   
   > > > But torture and love does exist, though not together.   
   > > > God is love, and Satan tortures. To attribute God to also being a   
   > > > torturer, like the churches teach, is downright DEGRADING to God.   
   > > > God is being dragged through the mud, and accused of being like Satan.   
   > > > It has to cut His heart in a large way. (Jer 7:31)   
   > > >   
   > > > At least JW's try to clear God of such sadistic teachings. And they do   
   > > > it world-wide. To those who listen, they REALLY find God to be a God   
   > > > of love, which He infinitely is.   
   > > >   
   > > > Sincerely James   
   > >   
   > > “For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest   
   hell,   
   > > and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the   
   > > foundations of the mountains.” (Deu 32:22)   
   > >   
   > > “He maketh wars to cease unto the end of the earth; he breaketh the bow,   
   > > and cutteth the spear in sunder; he burneth the chariot in the fire.”   
   (Psa   
   > > 46:9)   
   > >   
   > > “The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all   
   acquit   
   > > the wicked: the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and   
   the   
   > > clouds are the dust of his feet. He rebuketh the sea, and maketh it dry,   
   and   
   > > drieth up all the rivers: Bashan languisheth, and Carmel, and the flower of   
   > > Lebanon languisheth. The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and   
   the   
   > > earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell   
   therein.   
   > > Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness   
   of   
   > > his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down   
   > > by   
   > > him.” (Nam 1:3-6)   
   > >   
   > > “The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with   
   > > blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was   
   > > burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. And the second angel sounded,   
   > > and   
   > > as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and   
   the   
   > > third part of the sea became blood; And the third part of the creatures   
   > > which   
   > > were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were   
   > > destroyed. And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from   
   > > heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the   
   > > rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is   
   called   
   > > Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men   
   > > died   
   > > of the waters, because they were made bitter. And the fourth angel sounded,   
   > > and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon,   
   > > and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened,   
   > > and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise. And I   
   > > beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with   
   a   
   > > loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the   
   > > other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!”   
   > > (Rev 8:7-13)   
   > >   
   > > And this happens before this earth and the universe around it are burnt up.   
   > >   
   > > There is far more to this in the scriptures. Why?   
   > >   
   > > To warn the humans of impending doom, death and eternal destruction and   
   > > torment. Why?   
   > >   
   > > So they can seek the Lord who will provide a way of escape.   
   > >   
   > > The evil one and his followers seek to poo poo this so as to entrap them   
   > > into   
   > > the depths of Hell.   
   > >   
   > > There is a way that seems right to men, but the end thereof is the ways of   
   > > death.   
   > >   
   > > You all are like the frog in a pot of water saying what’s the problem, as   
   > > the temp slowly increases and then dies in ignorance while others feast on   
   > > its legs.   
   > >   
   > > You all heard the warnings, yet declare the waters fine.   
   >   
   > Ignoring some Scriptures and quoting others, won't settle any issue.   
   >   
   > First of all, I agree with any Scriptures you ever quote, since JW's   
   > go solely by the Bible. It's because of that, that we believe as we   
   > do.   
   >   
   > We also look at all translations, since most of them agree pretty much   
   > with our NWT Bible. I probably quote either the KJV Bible or the NKJV   
   > Bible more than others. That is, in truth, because it was the only two   
   bibles the JW used for decades, then they tried to us a JW version of the NIV   
   and if   
   forgot what they called that, and it was a flop, so they changed the name and   
   more words into the NWT. All by people little more intelligent that yourself,   
   but in the world of ligurists none of them were certified, nor qualified.   
      
   >   
   >   
   > As for the Lake of Fire, death is tossed in it, along with hell.   
   > (hades) To try to torture death and hell is a waste of time. Thus the   
   > Lake of Fire is symbolic.   
      
   Then How come they rode horses?   
   >   
   >   
   > And the Bible even tells us what it represents, what it is a symbol   
   > of, what it equals, what it stands for, what it portrays: THE SECOND   
   > DEATH. (Rev 20:14)   
      
   The first physical death the spirits go to a literal hell. A holding place of   
   most demons, and Satan although he has access to the second heaven. And   
   controls it. The second death is a place created for Satan and all his angels   
   for their final dwelling place and because of sin, men will go there as well,   
   all those whose names are not written in the book of Life. It is called THE   
   Second Death. It is not a place that can be washed away by your thoughts.   
   Only those whose sins have been washed away by the blood of Jesus will be   
   freed of that ending. The antichrist and the false prophet in the GT at the   
   end will be tossed alive into that place, due to their great sin. Tossed   
   ALIVE, and it sounds like they will be the first two to dwell there.   
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