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From: .robert@mu.way
On Oct 27, 2025, James wrote
(Message-ID:<5c50gkd3d6k16bannv6li97hgjsm6d1ud8@4ax.com>):
> On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 16:24:21 -0700, None wrote:
>
> > On Oct 22, 2025, James wrote
> > (Message-ID:):
> >
> > > On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 09:05:37 -0700, None wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Oct 20, 2025, James wrote
> > > > (Message-ID:):
> > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 20 Oct 2025 00:02:56 -0700, None wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Oct 19, 2025, James wrote
> > > > > > (Message-ID:):
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > God's Personal Name: What is it?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > NO ONE TODAY KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT IT IS. PERIOD.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It is found in the Bible in the form of 4 Hebrew consonant
letters:
> > > > > > > YHWH (some say YHVH)
> > > > > > > Those 4 Hebrew letters are called the Tetragrammaton. They occur
in
> > > > > > > the Bible about 7000 times.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The favored English name by Hebrew Scholars is the
TRANSLITERATED name
> > > > > > > "Yahweh". But each language has its own pronunciation of the
> > > > > > > TRANSLATED name. Here are some examples:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > English= Jehovah. (Latinized) KJV Bible Ps 83:18.
> > > > > > > In Danish "Jehova"
> > > > > > > In Fijan "Jiova"
> > > > > > > In Italian "Geova"
> > > > > > > In Japanese "Ehoba"
> > > > > > > In Spanish "Jehová"
> > > > > > > In French "Je'hovah (conventional literary form)
> > > > > > > In German "Jehovah" (German Elberfelder version)
> > > > > > > (See Deut 4:2)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But for English, the most known name for God is the Latinized
name
> > > > > > > "Jehovah". It has been around since the 17th century. The
popular King
> > > > > > > James Version of 1611, recorded it in a few places such as Ex
6:3 and
> > > > > > > Ps 83:18.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Notice:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Biblical scholar Francis B. Dennio said: "Jehovah misrepresents
> > > > > > > Yahweh no more than Jeremiah misrepresents Yirmeyahu. The settled
> > > > > > > connotations of Isaiah and Jeremiah forbid questioning their
right."
> > > > > > > Dennio argued that the form Jehovah is not a barbarism, but is
the
> > > > > > > best English form available, being that it has for centuries
gathered
> > > > > > > the necessary connotations and associations for valid use in
English."
> > > > > > > (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A superstition arose around the 2nd century BCE that said NOT to
> > > > > > > pronounce the divine name. The reasons are unclear, but one
reason is
> > > > > > > that the divine name was too holy to pronounce. Yet the Bible
recorded
> > > > > > > it almost 7000 times
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anyway, they substituted the Tetragrammaton for "Lord" or "God".
And
> > > > > > > most ALL translations follow that example. For example, compare
the
> > > > > > > two:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -- King James
> > > > > > > Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto
Jacob,
> > > > > > > by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not
known to
> > > > > > > them.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -- New King James
> > > > > > > Exodus 6:3 "I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God
> > > > > > > Almighty, but by My name, Lord, I was not known to them.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So is "Jehovah" a legitimate name for God? Again notice:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ""the English form Jehovah is an Anglicized form of
Yehovah,"[18] and
> > > > > > > preserves the four Hebrew consonants "YHVH" (with the
introduction of
> > > > > > > the "J" sound in English).[18][20][21] Some argue that Jehovah is
> > > > > > > preferable to Yahweh, based on their conclusion that the
> > > > > > > Tetragrammaton was likely tri-syllabic originally, and that
modern
> > > > > > > forms should therefore also have three syllables.[22]"
> > > > > > > (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So "Jehovah" "preserves the four Hebrew consonants of "YHVH"" and
> > > > > > > today is the most used name for God.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Septuagint (OT in Greek instead of Hebrew) of today is of
the 4th
> > > > > > > or 5th centuries C.E. And sure enough, by that time pronouncing
the
> > > > > > > Tetragrammaton was not done. But in it's place they inserted the
words
> > > > > > > "Lord" or "God".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > BUT the original Septuagint DID contain the Tetragrammaton. A
fragment
> > > > > > > of the Septuagint (2nd half of Deuteronomy) DID contain the
> > > > > > > Tetragrammaton. (See Inventory Number 266 of the Fouad Papyri)
It has
> > > > > > > a date by scholars of around 2nd or 1st B.C.E.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The septuagint was written in Greek.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > “And I appeared to Abraam and Isaac and Jacob, being their God,
but I
> > > > > > did
> > > > > > not manifest to them my name Lord.” (Exo 6:3, Brenton)
> > > > >
> > > > > They made God just lie. "Lord" is a TITLE, not a name.
> > > >
> > > > No one can make the Heavenly Father lie. In the koine Greek the word
> > > > translated into English was kurios.
> > > > This is the word translated from Hebrew into koine Greek by the
priests of
> > > > Israel 300 years before Christ was born. This was in the original
> > > > Septuagint.
> > > > The greek usage of the term in that day was this.
> > > >
> > > > kurios
> > >
> > > Negatrons. The Septuagint we have today is 4th or 5th century C.E.
> > > copies. By then that superstition had gained a foothold that it was
> > > too sacred to pronounce. So they cut out the Tetragrammaton and
> > > INSERTED "Lord" or "God" in its place.
> >
> > They cut out nothing. They translated it into koine Greek because the
> > dispersed Jews spoke no Hebrew, let alone read it.
>
> They most certainly cut it out. The original Septuagint had the
> Tetragrammaton in it. See right below.
Are you really a total idiot? Did you read what you pasted in below? 2nd or
first BCE. The 1st known copy or original was in around 300 BCE that is
298-299 years before the copy you speak of. It was translated into pure koine
greek, 99% of the Jews were not able to read Hebrew anymore.
>
> > >
> > > However, they found some Septuagint fragments of Deuteronomy dated 2nd
> > > or 1st B.C.E. THAT CONTAINED THE TETRAGRAMATON. So the original
> > > Septuagint contained it. See Inventory Number 266 of the Fouad Papyri.
> >
> > Where are any other supporting fragments. No one accepts one fragment of
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