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   > > > > > > It is also why Jesus said to pray that the will of the Father be   
   free to   
   > > > > > > operate on earth, as He does in heaven.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > If the Father knows all, what's the point of asking about it?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Jesus is not the Father.   
   > > >   
   > > > Yes, but what would he be doing praying to the Father? Is the Father   
   > > > hard of hearing when it comes to who prays to him?   
   > >   
   > > Praying is talking, holding a conversation with, both in this world, as   
   well   
   > > as between this world and the spiritual world that has and will always   
   > > exist.   
   >   
   > No, prayer is just talking to yourself. Otherwise, in your   
   > conversation with God, he would be able to tell you things like what's   
   > the temperature outside -- but he can only tell you things that you   
   > already know, indicating that in prayer is, like I said, just talking   
   > to yourself.   
      
   Well, I can sure tell you have had no relationship with Him. Also that you   
   are clueless about how he Fathers.   
      
   Jhn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you   
   into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall   
   hear, that’s hall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.   
      
   Everything he told me came true exactly as specified. He has also admonished   
   me when needed, answered my prayer before I could even formulate a request in   
   my mind. And later showed me a verse confirming his action that I needed at   
   that moment. Thank you Lord!   
      
   >   
   >   
   > > > > It was a point that the young man made about Jesus   
   > > > > the prayers of man that he blessed and then handed it to the Heavenly   
   > > > > Father   
   > > > > to bless, and return the answers for them. It is also backed up in   
   > > > > scripture   
   > > > > From the first chapter of Genesis on.   
   > > >   
   > > > No, the plural of God in the book of Genesis is just a remnant of   
   > > > early Israelite polytheism. It has nothing to do with God the Father.   
   > >   
   > > It was mentioned before there were any Israelites. The young man mentioned   
   > > the realities of that without making a big point about it, for which I’d   
   > > bet many religious types will flack him for it, as well as calling him a   
   > > total fraud because it does not match up with their supposed doctrines of   
   > > men. Jesus when he returned to the Father was seated at the right hand of   
   > > the Heavenly Father. NOT on the throne of the Heavenly Father.   
   >   
   > No, the setting of the story in Genesis is pre-Israelite but in   
   > reality it was composed in Israel much later than that. And Jesus   
   > sitting at the right hand of his Father is a remnant from the early   
   > days of Jesus' preachings, when he was considered to be somewhat less   
   > of a ruler than his Father was.   
      
   Did you bother to read what I said? It sure does not look like it.   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > > > > > > Oh, and also he doesn't close his eyes when he prays. I   
   > > > found that   
   > > > > > > > > > to be kind of strange.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Many others do as well, I say that because of several leaders   
   I know   
   > > > > > > > > do   
   > > > > > > > > it   
   > > > > > > > > both ways in public. There is no formula for prayers. After   
   all, in   
   > > > > > > > > the   
   > > > > > > > > old   
   > > > > > > > > days when one presented their case to their kings for   
   consideration,   
   > > > > > > > > they   
   > > > > > > > > did   
   > > > > > > > > so with eyes open when they said, I pray thee Lord so and so.   
   > > > > > > > > In speaking to God he sees the heart and its intent.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > So do you pray to God with your eyes open? Why or why not?   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Sometimes either way. If I my driving and I see something like an   
   > > > > > > accident   
   > > > > > > with people attending to whoever was involved I pray for them in a   
   > > > > > > variety   
   > > > > > > of   
   > > > > > > ways. Obviously with my eyes open. Sometimes I do the same when I   
   am   
   > > > > > > reading,   
   > > > > > > or writing, or see and or hear news of bad things happening, same   
   when   
   > > > > > > good   
   > > > > > > things are happening to give praise. At home in private, normally I   
   > > > > > > close   
   > > > > > > my   
   > > > > > > eyes Just because...and it helps keep one focused.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Wow. Do you even bow when you pray, to at least show respect for your   
   > > > > > god?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > And home I bend the knee to him. And on occasion on my face, depending.   
   > > > > He saved me both in this life as well as the next. He spared my life   
   > > > > several   
   > > > > times, and I cannot thank him enough for that.   
   > > >   
   > > > But if he hadn't saved your life, you would be in heaven right now,   
   > > > wouldn't you? Is that situation good or bad? And why would God spare   
   > > > your life and not others?   
   > >   
   > > Perhaps, I don’t really know for sure, because at those times my life was   
   > > not right before God. He saved me I am sure because of a couple things, one   
   > > he wanted me to be spiritually saved, the other because of the prayers of   
   my   
   > > concerned mother. I know that the fear of death was not with me. Only that   
   I   
   > > knew at that time is was a very real possibility. I cannot fully understand   
   > > it, neither then or afterwards, or even now. I am however, thankful to Him   
   > > for it.   
   >   
   > Why couldn't you go to heaven and get spiritually saved there?   
   > Wouldn't that be fun?   
      
   Those that die and are not of God, go to hell.Sin is not allowed in heaven, I   
   suppose you could have a vision of heaven, so as to see what truth and life   
   is like and the same thing with hell.   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > > > > > > > If you cared about your life after death, then you should   
   check your   
   > > > > > > > > > > options.   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > I don't care about it strictly because I don't believe it.   
   It's not   
   > > > > > > > > > as if I saw, it believed it, and decided not to "check my   
   options."   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Yet you cannot deny that you never heard of it. So when you   
   see the   
   > > > > > > > > reality   
   > > > > > > > > of it that you won’t be able to say ‘I was never warned’.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > There is insufficient evidence to constitute being "warned."   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Not at all, because someone ignores it and acts all indifferent to   
   a   
   > > > > > > warning   
   > > > > > > because they did not feel any imminent threat or danger does not   
   dismiss   
   > > > > > > or   
   > > > > > > diminish the warning. Noah warned men of the impending flood for   
   120   
   > > > > > > years   
   > > > > > > as he and his family built the ark. All he got was jeers, mocking,   
   etc.   
   > > > > > > but   
   > > > > > > when   
   > > > > > > he got into the ark and sealed the doors and then there came rain   
   and it   
   > > > > > > did   
   > > > > > > not stop. You can bet people changed their minds.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > If God sets things up so that they look like they can be mocked, and   
   > > > > > then those things are mocked, whose fault is that?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > It depends on your view point, mine is different. In any event, when   
   the   
   > > > > rains started pouring down, and the water started rising, the mocking   
   > > > > stopped. Why was that?   
   > > >   
   > > > The point is, there should've been no mocking to begin with, if God   
   > > > were sensible.   
   > >   
   > > Why is that? Is it not part of human nature that it born into sin to mock   
   > > God and those who follow him?   
   >   
   > It's human nature to mock the laughing stocks, not those who are worth   
   > dealing with.   
      
   Human nature is not Godly. IOW not of God.   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > > > > > > > Why? Because the default is Hell and then the Lake of Fire.   
   > > > > > > > > >   
      
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