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   > > > > > > > > > The idea of Hell is pure barbarism.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > That too is the thought of those against the death penalty for   
   rape   
   > > > > > > > > and   
   > > > > > > > > murder. And the same arguments are made against that. In spite   
   of the   
   > > > > > > > > fact   
   > > > > > > > > that these people are often repeat offenders. Now that same   
   thinking   
   > > > > > > > > is   
   > > > > > > > > in   
   > > > > > > > > place in many cities for any crime resulting in Prison time.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > Torture has no place in a civilized society, regardless of the   
   crime,   
   > > > > > > > so it's far less civilized if it goes on for *years* -- or worst   
   of   
   > > > > > > > all, *forever.*   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Some people get their kicks from being tortured. Even pay for it.   
   > > > > > > There are many forms of torment. And there are varying degrees of   
   > > > > > > torment   
   > > > > > > in   
   > > > > > > the lake of Fire based on the actions and intents of those that   
   are sent   
   > > > > > > there. It was never meant for man. It was designed for Lucifer and   
   his   
   > > > > > > angels. All who go there will not why, and will know why they are   
   > > > > > > deserving   
   > > > > > > of it, not that it lessens their suffering.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > If some people get their kicks from being tortured, why don't you go   
   > > > > > find them and torture them? That would be fun for everyone, wouldn't   
   > > > > > it? Now, Hell may have been meant for Lucifer, but you believe it now   
   > > > > > accommodates humans as well, but even the savage Native Americans   
   > > > > > wouldn't spend more than an afternoon torturing someone to death. Can   
   > > > > > you imagine, then, what kind of a diabolic God would spend a billion   
   > > > > > afternoons torturing someone in Hell?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > It is not for man to judge, for he looks on the outward appearance   
   where   
   > > > > as   
   > > > > God looks at the heart.   
   > > >   
   > > > That has nothing to do with a fiendish God torturing people in Hell.   
   > >   
   > > Have you ever had occasion to beat yourself up because of a stupid mistake,   
   > > or judgment?   
   > > If so, and you found yourself after death outside of Heaven and dwelling in   
   > > a   
   > > place with total absences of love in any form, absent of peace, dwelling   
   > > with   
   > > millions of others just like you, and everything about you was dead, no   
   > > living vegetation, no water, etc. There is no joy there, just a bunch of   
   > > Karens along with Satan and his demons mocking you as an image of God who   
   > > they hate, and then you replay in your mind all the errors big and small as   
   > > you relive those there. All those things being a choice you personally made   
   > > and are responsible for. That alone would be a torment without end, and all   
   > > if it of your own making.   
   >   
   > And don't forget the fire of Hell itself. Real flames, right? I   
   > notice you didn't mention that in your description of Hell. And by the   
   > way, in the Bible, Satan is punished in Hell. He doesn't rule over   
   > like Sunday School theology would have us believe.   
      
   Satan is the god of this world, At the bottom of the pit there is fire, but   
   the lake of Fire and brimstone is elsewhere. Hell is a holding pen, it is not   
   the final resting place of the damned.   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > What God would give a man a billion afternoons of peace and pure   
   delights?   
   > > > > And what God would want a billion Karen’s there to oppose him and the   
   > > > > people that entered heaven?   
   > > >   
   > > > Non sequitur.   
   > > Can’t relate. Eh?   
   >   
   > I can relate to it, all right. It's just that it has nothing to do   
   > with what we were taking about.   
      
   You were the one who brought that up. Look up a few paragraphs.   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > In Revelation it speaks of those believers being tortured for up to 10   
   days.   
   > > > > Samson was tortured for much longer. In the dark ages the RCC tortured   
   for   
   > > > > days and often until death. Those were not acts of God, it was pure   
   evil.   
   > > >   
   > > > Hell supposedly lasts forever, not 10 days. And when was Samson,   
   > > > specifically, tortured for much longer? In that folk tale, don't they   
   > > > just put out his eyes?   
   > >   
   > > Yes. But that was not hell I was speaking of. It is torture that you   
   > > mentioned, that was somehow limited in time and scope. Or did you forget   
   > > your   
   > > premise just made above?   
   >   
   > What does Samson have to do with what we're discussing?   
      
   He was an example of someone who was tortured.   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > > > When bad things happen to bad people, it is called karma by many,   
   and   
   > > > > > > others feel it is well justified.   
   > > > > > > There is nothing on this earth that can ease the torment that a   
   child   
   > > > > > > has   
   > > > > > > from suffering sexual abuse, and all their lives they live with the   
   > > > > > > effects   
   > > > > > > of it. Same with other crimes against humanity. How much suffering   
   does   
   > > > > > > the   
   > > > > > > offender deserve? Especially when a simple death sentence does not   
   > > > > > > restore   
   > > > > > > the abused, nor would it lessen the Childs pain throughout their   
   life by   
   > > > > > > knowing the offender was paying a lifetime sentence. Something to   
   think   
   > > > > > > about.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > You seem to have forgotten about when bad things happen to good   
   > > > > > people, or when good things happen to bad people -- a failure of   
   > > > > > karma. Now, how many *years* of fiendish torture in the fires of Hell   
   > > > > > do you believe are necessary when dealing with child molesters?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > I leave that in Gods hands and His wisdom. I know and understand the   
   > > > > why’s   
   > > > > of the first part of your paragraph.   
   > > >   
   > > > LOL! You bet you should leave it there, since you yourself have no   
   > > > answer for it.   
   > >   
   > > Why should I have an answer for it, it is in Gods hands and for his   
   > > purposes.   
   > > I understand some of those things but there is no way I or anyone on earth   
   > > can discuss it with others as they would just keep on with endless   
   questions   
   > > for no reason other than to find a point where you can’t explain it and   
   > > claim “GOTCHA’ and use that as some excuse to rationalize all proper   
   > > thing before it, away, as it if was unjustified.   
   >   
   > So God has no answer for it either, in your view.   
      
   And just how do you jump to that conclusion? That is a purposely offensive   
   statement.   
   >   
   >   
   > > God has all the answers, and he can answer you to your needs in such a way   
   > > as you can be satisfied..   
   >   
   > But he's hiding them for some reason, right?   
      
   You have not because you ask not.   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > > > > > > > If Miracles still occur there must be a reason behind it.   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > You're getting ahead of yourself there.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > I disagree, because miracles have been happening for 2K years.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > Because your YouTube videos told you so?   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > That is a ridiculous slam.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > What sources do you use besides YouTube, that lead you to believe   
   > > > > > miracles have been happening for 2K years (should be 6K, but, then   
   > > > > > those are your beliefs, not mine)?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Well the miracles during the times of Israel happened and were known of   
   > > > > WW.   
   > > > > They were somewhat limited because of the Law Covenant, the NT is a   
   new,   
   > > > > different, and better covenant.   
   > > >   
   > > > So the first covenant was a mistake by God? And there were no miracles   
   > > > in ancient Israel known "world wide".   
   > >   
      
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