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   >regards to the Heavenly Father. And had you given my statement some thought   
   >you might see the truth in it.   
      
   No, Isaac Newton was not ridiculed.  "I know the lion by his claw," as   
   one mathematician/physicist remarked respectfully about one of   
   Newton's solutions to a problem.  The Wright brothers were laughed at,   
   but so was Bozo the Clown (i.e., in this situation, the adage means   
   don't be so happy that you've been ridiculed).   
      
   >> > > > > > > > > and finally   
   >> > > > > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > > > > *why couldn't it have been his "time" yet, to stay in   
   heaven rather   
   >> > > > > > > > > than returning to earth?   
   >> > > > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > > > He said that Jesus wanted him to return and share what he had   
   seen and   
   >> > > > > > > > observed., that it was not his “appointed time to die”. This   
   is   
   >> > > > > > > > not   
   >> > > > > > > > an   
   >> > > > > > > > uncommon thing to feel for those that Believe, I know of a   
   few others   
   >> > > > > > > > who   
   >> > > > > > > > had   
   >> > > > > > > > similar experiences, although the ones I know of, were solid   
   believers   
   >> > > > > > > > before   
   >> > > > > > > > they left and two of them were given a choice. Even though   
   Jesus told   
   >> > > > > > > > them   
   >> > > > > > > > that there was more for them to do.   
   >> > > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > > Why would an omnipotent being need the assistance of mere   
   humans to   
   >> > > > > > > accomplish his goals?   
   >> > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > Because he gave the dominion of this earth and all that was on   
   it, to   
   >> > > > > > man.   
   >> > > > > > Which is why anti god people can exercise their free will   
   thinking.   
   >> > > > >   
   >> > > > > So why couldn't some of that dominion be taken back, if it's leading   
   >> > > > > to inefficiency in, shall we say, harvesting souls? And the ability   
   >> > > > > of anti-god people to exercise free will in thinking was not at   
   issue   
   >> > > > > at this point in the conversation.   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > Free will is an ongoing issue that must be understood as a right. As   
   well   
   >> > > > as   
   >> > > > the responsibilities that go with it.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > Those are already understood.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > > If is not in God to take things back that he has promised to all men.   
   >> > > > Promised given by himself with no strings attached stand according to   
   His   
   >> > > > will. Covenants that have stipulations is a covenant between two   
   parties.   
   >> > > > God is a God of his word.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > So if God makes a mistake, he's unable to fix it, lest he break his   
   word?   
   >> >   
   >> > That is assuming that he actually makes mistakes, How can a perfect being   
   >> > make a mistake?   
   >>   
   >> He couldn't, but then your alleged God is not a perfect being. He   
   >> would have to be fallible if he created a dominion for man that didn't   
   >> work out.   
   >   
   >Actually recreated a domain for men that he gave them dominion over it.   
   >God knew before the earth was formed what is future was to be, and while you   
   >should read Genesis 3 to see the fall out and its effects it says,...   
      
   One possible solution to God's quandary in the story would be to make   
   dominion over the earth to be contingent on mankind's good behavior to   
   begin with,  so he could remove that dominion if trouble started   
   without going back on his word or his interest in giving humans   
   dominion over the earth.   
      
   >Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy   
   >seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.   
   >   
   >Notice “her seed” a specific reference to Jesus of the seed of Mary. Not   
   >man and Mary but of God and Mary.   
      
   No, it's talking about mankind's long battle with snakes, not Mary the   
   mother of Jesus.  If it were, referring to Mary by name would be quite   
   a feather in the Bible's cap, but of course it never was.   
      
   >(Messiah to be the seed of the woman). The servants of Christ are members of   
   >that body of which Christ is the head, and therefore are included in this   
   >seed.   
      
   No, the quaint fairy tale in the first part of Genesis has nothing   
   whatsoever to do with the Messiah.   
      
   >1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.   
      
   No, be ye annoying, as he is annoying.   
      
   >1Pe 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth   
   >according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:   
      
   You still have to refer to our prayers being "in Jesus' name,"   
   apparently because you're so fearful of the Father's wrath that you   
   have to mention that Jesus is with you when you talk to the Father.   
      
   >1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible   
   >things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition   
   >from your fathers;   
   >   
   >1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish   
   >and without spot:   
      
   A depiction of a bloodthirsty deity.   
      
   >***********************   
   >   
   >1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but   
   >was manifest in these last times for you,   
      
   LOL!  He thought he was living in the last times!   
      
   >***********************   
   >   
   >1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and   
   >gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.   
      
   What is the point of those quotations?   
      
   >There is the proof that he knew ahead of time what would happen. Understood   
   >what might happen, and could happen and provided a way of escape from the   
   >very beginning. And like satan who desired to be God, and be bigger and   
   >badder than God, would by their life choices would be made manifest and go to   
   >dwell with Satan, their leader/ comrade in arms. Birds of a feather and all   
   >that.   
      
   This character Satan should have long since been killed.   
      
   >> > > > > > It is also why Jesus said to pray that the will of the Father be   
   free to   
   >> > > > > > operate on earth, as He does in heaven.   
   >> > > > >   
   >> > > > > If the Father knows all, what's the point of asking about it?   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > Jesus is not the Father.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > Yes, but what would he be doing praying to the Father? Is the Father   
   >> > > hard of hearing when it comes to who prays to him?   
   >> >   
   >> > Praying is talking, holding a conversation with, both in this world, as   
   well   
   >> > as between this world and the spiritual world that has and will always   
   >> > exist.   
   >>   
   >> No, prayer is just talking to yourself. Otherwise, in your   
   >> conversation with God, he would be able to tell you things like what's   
   >> the temperature outside -- but he can only tell you things that you   
   >> already know, indicating that in prayer is, like I said, just talking   
   >> to yourself.   
   >   
   >Well, I can sure tell you have had no relationship with Him. Also that you   
   >are clueless about how he Fathers.   
      
   So has God ever told you what the temperature is outside?   
      
   >Jhn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you   
   >into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall   
   >hear, that’s hall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.   
      
   What was God supposedly waiting on to provide this Spirit of truth?  I   
   mean it's not as if the book of John was written the day Jesus   
   supposedly left the earth.   
      
   >Everything he told me came true exactly as specified. He has also admonished   
   >me when needed, answered my prayer before I could even formulate a request in   
   >my mind. And later showed me a verse confirming his action that I needed at   
   >that moment. Thank you Lord!   
      
   You didn't have time to formulate a request, but you did know you were   
   in trouble. So you subconsciously developed a solution even before   
      
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