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   >> > > > > > the lake of Fire based on the actions and intents of those that   
   are sent   
   >> > > > > > there. It was never meant for man. It was designed for Lucifer   
   and his   
   >> > > > > > angels. All who go there will not why, and will know why they are   
   >> > > > > > deserving   
   >> > > > > > of it, not that it lessens their suffering.   
   >> > > > >   
   >> > > > > If some people get their kicks from being tortured, why don't you go   
   >> > > > > find them and torture them? That would be fun for everyone, wouldn't   
   >> > > > > it? Now, Hell may have been meant for Lucifer, but you believe it   
   now   
   >> > > > > accommodates humans as well, but even the savage Native Americans   
   >> > > > > wouldn't spend more than an afternoon torturing someone to death.   
   Can   
   >> > > > > you imagine, then, what kind of a diabolic God would spend a billion   
   >> > > > > afternoons torturing someone in Hell?   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > It is not for man to judge, for he looks on the outward appearance   
   where   
   >> > > > as   
   >> > > > God looks at the heart.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > That has nothing to do with a fiendish God torturing people in Hell.   
   >> >   
   >> > Have you ever had occasion to beat yourself up because of a stupid   
   mistake,   
   >> > or judgment?   
   >> > If so, and you found yourself after death outside of Heaven and dwelling   
   in   
   >> > a   
   >> > place with total absences of love in any form, absent of peace, dwelling   
   >> > with   
   >> > millions of others just like you, and everything about you was dead, no   
   >> > living vegetation, no water, etc. There is no joy there, just a bunch of   
   >> > Karens along with Satan and his demons mocking you as an image of God who   
   >> > they hate, and then you replay in your mind all the errors big and small   
   as   
   >> > you relive those there. All those things being a choice you personally   
   made   
   >> > and are responsible for. That alone would be a torment without end, and   
   all   
   >> > if it of your own making.   
   >>   
   >> And don't forget the fire of Hell itself. Real flames, right? I   
   >> notice you didn't mention that in your description of Hell. And by the   
   >> way, in the Bible, Satan is punished in Hell. He doesn't rule over   
   >> like Sunday School theology would have us believe.   
   >   
   >Satan is the god of this world, At the bottom of the pit there is fire, but   
   >the lake of Fire and brimstone is elsewhere. Hell is a holding pen, it is not   
   >the final resting place of the damned.   
      
   So where is Hell located, anyway?   In the center of the earth?   
      
   >> > > > What God would give a man a billion afternoons of peace and pure   
   delights?   
   >> > > > And what God would want a billion Karen’s there to oppose him and the   
   >> > > > people that entered heaven?   
   >> > >   
   >> > > Non sequitur.   
   >> > Can’t relate. Eh?   
   >>   
   >> I can relate to it, all right. It's just that it has nothing to do   
   >> with what we were taking about.   
   >   
   >You were the one who brought that up. Look up a few paragraphs.   
      
   I talked about afternoons of savage torture, not afternoons of peace   
   and delights.  That second part was added in by you, for no apparent   
   reason.   
      
   >> > > > In Revelation it speaks of those believers being tortured for up to   
   10 days.   
   >> > > > Samson was tortured for much longer. In the dark ages the RCC   
   tortured for   
   >> > > > days and often until death. Those were not acts of God, it was pure   
   evil.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > Hell supposedly lasts forever, not 10 days. And when was Samson,   
   >> > > specifically, tortured for much longer? In that folk tale, don't they   
   >> > > just put out his eyes?   
   >> >   
   >> > Yes. But that was not hell I was speaking of. It is torture that you   
   >> > mentioned, that was somehow limited in time and scope. Or did you forget   
   >> > your   
   >> > premise just made above?   
   >>   
   >> What does Samson have to do with what we're discussing?   
   >   
   >He was an example of someone who was tortured.   
      
   How do you know Samson didn't go to heaven?   
      
   >> > > > > > When bad things happen to bad people, it is called karma by many,   
   and   
   >> > > > > > others feel it is well justified.   
   >> > > > > > There is nothing on this earth that can ease the torment that a   
   child   
   >> > > > > > has   
   >> > > > > > from suffering sexual abuse, and all their lives they live with   
   the   
   >> > > > > > effects   
   >> > > > > > of it. Same with other crimes against humanity. How much   
   suffering does   
   >> > > > > > the   
   >> > > > > > offender deserve? Especially when a simple death sentence does not   
   >> > > > > > restore   
   >> > > > > > the abused, nor would it lessen the Childs pain throughout their   
   life by   
   >> > > > > > knowing the offender was paying a lifetime sentence. Something to   
   think   
   >> > > > > > about.   
   >> > > > >   
   >> > > > > You seem to have forgotten about when bad things happen to good   
   >> > > > > people, or when good things happen to bad people -- a failure of   
   >> > > > > karma. Now, how many *years* of fiendish torture in the fires of   
   Hell   
   >> > > > > do you believe are necessary when dealing with child molesters?   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > I leave that in Gods hands and His wisdom. I know and understand the   
   >> > > > why’s   
   >> > > > of the first part of your paragraph.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > LOL! You bet you should leave it there, since you yourself have no   
   >> > > answer for it.   
   >> >   
   >> > Why should I have an answer for it, it is in Gods hands and for his   
   >> > purposes.   
   >> > I understand some of those things but there is no way I or anyone on earth   
   >> > can discuss it with others as they would just keep on with endless   
   questions   
   >> > for no reason other than to find a point where you can’t explain it and   
   >> > claim “GOTCHA’ and use that as some excuse to rationalize all proper   
   >> > thing before it, away, as it if was unjustified.   
   >>   
   >> So God has no answer for it either, in your view.   
   >   
   >And just how do you jump to that conclusion? That is a purposely offensive   
   >statement.   
      
   If it's in God's hands, and he still hasn't explained why he would be   
   so cruel as to create a place like Helll, that must be because he has   
   no answer.  What other reason could that be?   
      
   >> > God has all the answers, and he can answer you to your needs in such a way   
   >> > as you can be satisfied..   
   >>   
   >> But he's hiding them for some reason, right?   
   >   
   >You have not because you ask not.   
      
   Others have asked, and they haven't pulled God out of his shell, so to   
   speak.   
      
   >> > > > > > > > > > If Miracles still occur there must be a reason behind it.   
   >> > > > > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > > > > You're getting ahead of yourself there.   
   >> > > > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > > > I disagree, because miracles have been happening for 2K years.   
   >> > > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > > Because your YouTube videos told you so?   
   >> > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > That is a ridiculous slam.   
   >> > > > >   
   >> > > > > What sources do you use besides YouTube, that lead you to believe   
   >> > > > > miracles have been happening for 2K years (should be 6K, but, then   
   >> > > > > those are your beliefs, not mine)?   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > Well the miracles during the times of Israel happened and were known   
   of   
   >> > > > WW.   
   >> > > > They were somewhat limited because of the Law Covenant, the NT is a   
   new,   
   >> > > > different, and better covenant.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > So the first covenant was a mistake by God? And there were no miracles   
   >> > > in ancient Israel known "world wide".   
   >> >   
   >> > I thought you said you knew the Bible? It was not the plan that God   
   desired   
   >> > for them, and the people were very fearful of God and told Moses, “You   
   >> > handle it”. And so it was a negotiated covenant.   
   >> > As to miracles known world wide, at that point in time the known world was   
      
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