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   You just keep digging bigger holes for yourself.   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > > > > Now, did you read my article?   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Nope. I considered it, but I have seem so much one-sided agenda   
   oriented   
   > > > > > > articles which are written unscientifically over the years that it   
   > > > > > > sickens   
   > > > > > > me. It is rare to find a paper or someone or some group that   
   isn’t   
   > > > > > > shaded   
   > > > > > > anymore. They all give in to politics, social agendas, and group   
   think   
   > > > > > > or   
   > > > > > > mutual funds that it inhibits most true creative science.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > That's a lot of words to describe what you're doing here, namely   
   being   
   > > > > > a coward.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Thank you for your insight. But there is no cowardice within me. I have   
   > > > > been   
   > > > > there, done that, many times before, just like the link to your   
   article in   
   > > > > regards to stalagmite’s. The subject of which I referred to in my   
   > > > > posting   
   > > > > about limestone above.   
   > > >   
   > > > I was never involved in that. So prove you did this before, and do it   
   > > > again here for my benefit, at least.   
   > >   
   > > Maybe later, at present this is taking up too much of my time, and this   
   > > thread is morphing into many variants outside the subject of the thread. As   
   > > is normal on the Usenet. VBG.   
   >   
   > Evasion noted.   
      
   Evasion of what?   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > > > I am also not really into arguments of this type, as my focus has   
   been   
   > > > > > > on   
   > > > > > > God, spirituality, both in this world and the other world, which   
   BTW is   
   > > > > > > more real than the limited one we dwell in.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > So science is not your forte.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > It is not my focus, I have been involved with various sciences, some   
   being   
   > > > > part of my work history, and also because I read a lot about many   
   things   
   > > > > in   
   > > > > most all areas of life, I have at the least a modicum of knowledge and   
   > > > > understanding of many things.   
   > > >   
   > > > Remind us why you are "not into arguments of this [scientific?] type"   
   > >   
   > > Because I am more focused on sharing the things and realities of Christ.   
   > >   
   > > I would inhabit the wood working NG’s if I wanted to learn and share,   
   Same   
   > > with various sciences, same with the field of electricity, or electronics,   
   > > magnetism, engine design, communications, Chemistry, hacking/programming.   
   > > Etc. I still dabble in these things on occasion for short periods, even   
   > > photography, lenses, and all things related to that, but my primary focus,   
   > > interest, and devotion is the things of the Lord Jesus Christ, His and My   
   > > Heavenly Father, and the Heavenly Father is the Father of all believers in   
   > > Jesus who walk with the spirit of God. I am really looking forward to   
   > > eternity with him as there is no time, no limitations, and all that we can   
   > > create it is possible to due there, for the benefit of all.   
   > >   
   > > God has stated that heaven is multiple times greater than one can think or   
   > > imagine, no limitations. I can think of no greater joy than to be there,   
   > > with   
   > > Him. With full truth, love, and knowledge with wisdom, and be truly set   
   free   
   > > from the bindings of these earth. That will truly be a world without end.   
   >   
   > If you're looking forward to heaven, why doesn't God take you into   
   > heaven now, to a place where you'll be presumably happier?   
      
   Did you already forget that you brought up that question earlier and it was   
   discussed, in this thread?   
   >   
   >   
   > > >   
   > > > > > > There used to be some great scientists, and I am sure there are   
   some   
   > > > > > > now,   
   > > > > > > but to make money often destroys their desire and limits what they   
   can   
   > > > > > > do   
   > > > > > > because of object focus, which limits there ability to follow the   
   > > > > > > offspring trails   
   > > > > > > into other possibly great things. That is how things work best.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > No, science is not a for-profit business activity.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > What world do you dwell in?   
   > > >   
   > > > You have a really cynical view of science. My understanding of its   
   > > > purpose is to learn about the natural world, not to make a few bucks.   
   > >   
   > > You are speaking solely of the hobbyist, typically those with limited   
   funds,   
   > > thereby severely limited.   
   >   
   > No, not at all. I'm talking about professional scientists, whose goal   
   > is to learn, not earn.   
      
   Look up the definition of ‘proessional'   
   >   
   >   
   > > Having some knowledge of the professional scientists, and the NDA’s they   
   > > are forced to sign, and or disclose ongoing private research they do as a   
   > > hobby, and the business end of it, things are not what they seem, and when   
   > > you discover something, and it is found to have value associated with it,   
   > > your name on that paper, depending on your position with the corporate   
   > > employer, may be only at the end of a list of Five more or less names of   
   > > others. And even if you were the sole author of the project, and director   
   of   
   > > those that were hired to assist you, the corporate chain of command takes   
   > > precedence and you are a mere peon added to the list.   
   >   
   > Scientists may crave fame and success, but not the money that may come   
   > with those under other circumstances.   
      
   Some have a primary focus on their desires to learn and understand or at   
   least start out that way, an then quickly learn that like most people they   
   need to eat and have a decent place to dwell in.   
   >   
   >   
   > > I have had too many friends that were burnt out because of it and quit   
   their   
   > > fields entirely, and could not even do further work on their personal   
   > > projects due to the forced agreements. Now some of my children and   
   > > grandchildren are in various fields and some of them cannot even speak to   
   me   
   > > in any degree about what they are doing. Which is not a bad thing, lol,   
   > > since without it we can just be family and not get side tracked.   
   >   
   > What scientific fields are they in? When I was collaborating with my   
   > physics professors in undergraduate school and graduate school, I was   
   > never told we had an NDA and that I therefore couldn't talk about what   
   > I was researching.   
      
   They are employed in their profession, as were all my my friends. And some of   
   my friends had their own companies and for legal reasons as well as self   
   preservation had to require others to sign them. If you knew anything about   
   business you would understand why. It is extremely difficult to design and   
   NDA and word it is such a way as to allow freedom of expression that we all   
   desire, and only limit it to specific arenas as their are many ancillary   
   tracks or veins of thought that went into it or stem from it.   
      
   Even in a scholarly environment were freedoms used to be the rule of the day,   
   things have changed. And many professors have side gigs related to their   
   profession. And what better place to grab ideas, trains of thoughts than from   
   young people, and then take their ideas that have merit, build on them and   
   thereby profit. There may be a very few who would tell the student of the   
   possibilities of their idea or concept/s and assist them to develop them   
   while they continue in their studies and not just halt their education by   
   getting sidetracked.   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > > > There used to be think tanks where someone with great wealth would   
   fund   
   > > > > > > research without limitations of directions, allowing dream chasers   
   to   
   > > > > > > run   
   > > > > > > freely, uninhibited. Whether they were seemingly successful or   
   not. I   
   > > > > > > don’t now it that exists anymore.   
   > > > > >   
      
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