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   looking for possible points of arguments.   
   >   
   > > > > > Snip   
   > > > > > So if God makes a mistake, he's unable to fix it, lest he break his   
   word?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > That is assuming that he actually makes mistakes, How can a perfect   
   being   
   > > > > make a mistake?   
   > > >   
   > > > He couldn't, but then your alleged God is not a perfect being. He   
   > > > would have to be fallible if he created a dominion for man that didn't   
   > > > work out.   
   > >   
   > > Actually recreated a domain for men that he gave them dominion over it.   
   > > God knew before the earth was formed what is future was to be, and while   
   you   
   > > should read Genesis 3 to see the fall out and its effects it says,...   
   >   
   > One possible solution to God's quandary in the story would be to make   
   > dominion over the earth to be contingent on mankind's good behavior to   
   > begin with, so he could remove that dominion if trouble started   
   > without going back on his word or his interest in giving humans   
   > dominion over the earth.   
      
   More baseless assumptions   
   >   
   >   
   > > Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy   
   > > seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his   
   heel.   
   > >   
   > > Notice “her seed” a specific reference to Jesus of the seed of Mary.   
   Not   
   > > man and Mary but of God and Mary.   
   >   
   > No, it's talking about mankind's long battle with snakes, not Mary the   
   > mother of Jesus. If it were, referring to Mary by name would be quite   
   > a feather in the Bible's cap, but of course it never was.   
      
   The bible is not an entity.   
   >   
   >   
   > > (Messiah to be the seed of the woman). The servants of Christ are members   
   of   
   > > that body of which Christ is the head, and therefore are included in this   
   > > seed.   
   >   
   > No, the quaint fairy tale in the first part of Genesis has nothing   
   > whatsoever to do with the Messiah.   
      
   Knee jerk reaction. ;)   
   >   
   >   
   > > 1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.   
   >   
   > No, be ye annoying, as he is annoying.   
   >   
   > > 1Pe 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons   
   judgeth   
   > > according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in   
   > > fear:   
   >   
   > You still have to refer to our prayers being "in Jesus' name,"   
   > apparently because you're so fearful of the Father's wrath that you   
   > have to mention that Jesus is with you when you talk to the Father.   
      
   I don’t have to do anything. I do not live in fear of the wrath of the   
   Heavenly Father. There is a reason of promise as to why one prays in his   
   name. But you know it not.   
   >   
   >   
   > > 1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible   
   > > things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by   
   > > tradition from your fathers;   
   > >   
   > > 1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without   
   blemish   
   > > and without spot:   
   >   
   > A depiction of a bloodthirsty deity.   
   >   
   > > ***********************   
   > >   
   > > 1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world,   
   but   
   > > was manifest in these last times for you,   
   >   
   > LOL! He thought he was living in the last times!   
   >   
   > > ***********************   
   > >   
   > > 1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead,   
   and   
   > > gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.   
   >   
   > What is the point of those quotations?   
      
   Can’t keep up with the convo? You were so busy with your intent of picking   
   things apart that you never grasped the thought of the context. It answered a   
   comment you made in a questioning form.   
   >   
   >   
   > > There is the proof that he knew ahead of time what would happen. Understood   
   > > what might happen, and could happen and provided a way of escape from the   
   > > very beginning. And like satan who desired to be God, and be bigger and   
   > > badder than God, would by their life choices would be made manifest and go   
   > > to dwell with Satan, their leader/ comrade in arms. Birds of a feather and   
   all   
   > > that.   
   >   
   > This character Satan should have long since been killed.   
   >   
   > > > > > > > > It is also why Jesus said to pray that the will of the Father   
   be free   
   > > > > > > > > to operate on earth, as He does in heaven.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > If the Father knows all, what's the point of asking about it?   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Jesus is not the Father.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Yes, but what would he be doing praying to the Father? Is the Father   
   > > > > > hard of hearing when it comes to who prays to him?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Praying is talking, holding a conversation with, both in this world, as   
   > > > > well   
   > > > > as between this world and the spiritual world that has and will always   
   > > > > exist.   
   > > >   
   > > > No, prayer is just talking to yourself. Otherwise, in your   
   > > > conversation with God, he would be able to tell you things like what's   
   > > > the temperature outside -- but he can only tell you things that you   
   > > > already know, indicating that in prayer is, like I said, just talking   
   > > > to yourself.   
   > >   
   > > Well, I can sure tell you have had no relationship with Him. Also that you   
   > > are clueless about how he Fathers.   
   >   
   > So has God ever told you what the temperature is outside?   
      
   Was there ever a need for that?   
   >   
   >   
   > > Jhn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you   
   > > into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall   
   > > hear, that’s hall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.   
   >   
   > What was God supposedly waiting on to provide this Spirit of truth? I   
   > mean it's not as if the book of John was written the day Jesus   
   > supposedly left the earth.   
      
   While I know you are incapable of understanding, it was always available to   
   the prophets of God. But was made possible to all who were redeemed by Jesus.   
   >   
   >   
   > > Everything he told me came true exactly as specified. He has also   
   admonished   
   > > me when needed, answered my prayer before I could even formulate a request   
   > > in my mind. And later showed me a verse confirming his action that I   
   needed at   
   > > that moment. Thank you Lord!   
   >   
   > You didn't have time to formulate a request, but you did know you were   
   > in trouble. So you subconsciously developed a solution even before   
   > your conscious mind was interested in it. And no one showed you   
   > anything -- unless, of course, you're claiming you're unfamiliar with   
   > the Bible.   
      
   He stood there by my side, and spoke to me regarding the solution. After it   
   happened. Immediately, and answered the unasked question. I heard him, asked   
   him then what to do next, etc. I have written this all out before. And to a   
   person in your NG.   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > > > It was a point that the young man made about Jesus   
   > > > > > > the prayers of man that he blessed and then handed it to the   
   Heavenly   
   > > > > > > Father   
   > > > > > > to bless, and return the answers for them. It is also backed up in   
   > > > > > > scripture   
   > > > > > > From the first chapter of Genesis on.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > No, the plural of God in the book of Genesis is just a remnant of   
   > > > > > early Israelite polytheism. It has nothing to do with God the Father.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > It was mentioned before there were any Israelites. The young man   
   mentioned   
   > > > > the realities of that without making a big point about it, for which   
   I’d   
   > > > > bet many religious types will flack him for it, as well as calling him   
   a   
   > > > > total fraud because it does not match up with their supposed doctrines   
   of   
   > > > > men. Jesus when he returned to the Father was seated at the right hand   
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