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   > > > > > > > > of it, not that it lessens their suffering.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > If some people get their kicks from being tortured, why don't   
   you go   
   > > > > > > > find them and torture them? That would be fun for everyone,   
   wouldn't   
   > > > > > > > it? Now, Hell may have been meant for Lucifer, but you believe   
   it now   
   > > > > > > > accommodates humans as well, but even the savage Native Americans   
   > > > > > > > wouldn't spend more than an afternoon torturing someone to   
   death. Can   
   > > > > > > > you imagine, then, what kind of a diabolic God would spend a   
   billion   
   > > > > > > > afternoons torturing someone in Hell?   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > It is not for man to judge, for he looks on the outward appearance   
   where   
   > > > > > > as   
   > > > > > > God looks at the heart.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > That has nothing to do with a fiendish God torturing people in Hell.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Have you ever had occasion to beat yourself up because of a stupid   
   > > > > mistake,   
   > > > > or judgment?   
   > > > > If so, and you found yourself after death outside of Heaven and   
   dwelling   
   > > > > in   
   > > > > a   
   > > > > place with total absences of love in any form, absent of peace,   
   dwelling   
   > > > > with   
   > > > > millions of others just like you, and everything about you was dead, no   
   > > > > living vegetation, no water, etc. There is no joy there, just a bunch   
   of   
   > > > > Karens along with Satan and his demons mocking you as an image of God   
   who   
   > > > > they hate, and then you replay in your mind all the errors big and   
   small   
   > > > > as   
   > > > > you relive those there. All those things being a choice you personally   
   > > > > made   
   > > > > and are responsible for. That alone would be a torment without end, and   
   > > > > all   
   > > > > if it of your own making.   
   > > >   
   > > > And don't forget the fire of Hell itself. Real flames, right? I   
   > > > notice you didn't mention that in your description of Hell. And by the   
   > > > way, in the Bible, Satan is punished in Hell. He doesn't rule over   
   > > > like Sunday School theology would have us believe.   
   > >   
   > > Satan is the god of this world, At the bottom of the pit there is fire, but   
   > > the lake of Fire and brimstone is elsewhere. Hell is a holding pen, it is   
   > > not the final resting place of the damned.   
   >   
   > So where is Hell located, anyway? In the center of the earth?   
      
   A pit, with sides deep in the earth   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > > > What God would give a man a billion afternoons of peace and pure   
   > > > > > > delights?   
   > > > > > > And what God would want a billion Karen’s there to oppose him   
   and the   
   > > > > > > people that entered heaven?   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Non sequitur.   
   > > > > Can’t relate. Eh?   
   > > >   
   > > > I can relate to it, all right. It's just that it has nothing to do   
   > > > with what we were taking about.   
   > >   
   > > You were the one who brought that up. Look up a few paragraphs.   
   >   
   > I talked about afternoons of savage torture, not afternoons of peace   
   > and delights. That second part was added in by you, for no apparent   
   > reason.   
      
   Then why did you use the term ’billion afternoons’?   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > > > In Revelation it speaks of those believers being tortured for up   
   to 10   
   > > > > > > days.   
   > > > > > > Samson was tortured for much longer. In the dark ages the RCC   
   tortured   
   > > > > > > for   
   > > > > > > days and often until death. Those were not acts of God, it was pure   
   > > > > > > evil.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Hell supposedly lasts forever, not 10 days. And when was Samson,   
   > > > > > specifically, tortured for much longer? In that folk tale, don't they   
   > > > > > just put out his eyes?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Yes. But that was not hell I was speaking of. It is torture that you   
   > > > > mentioned, that was somehow limited in time and scope. Or did you   
   forget   
   > > > > your   
   > > > > premise just made above?   
   > > >   
   > > > What does Samson have to do with what we're discussing?   
   > >   
   > > He was an example of someone who was tortured.   
   >   
   > How do you know Samson didn't go to heaven?   
      
   Because the righteous dead went to paradise. Before Christ rose from the   
   dead.   
   It is in the bible. Not written in those exact words but written by examples,   
   at the time of Christ.   
      
   >   
   >   
   > > > > > > > > When bad things happen to bad people, it is called karma by   
   many, and   
   > > > > > > > > others feel it is well justified.   
   > > > > > > > > There is nothing on this earth that can ease the torment that   
   a child   
   > > > > > > > > has   
   > > > > > > > > from suffering sexual abuse, and all their lives they live   
   with the   
   > > > > > > > > effects   
   > > > > > > > > of it. Same with other crimes against humanity. How much   
   suffering   
   > > > > > > > > does   
   > > > > > > > > the   
   > > > > > > > > offender deserve? Especially when a simple death sentence does   
   not   
   > > > > > > > > restore   
   > > > > > > > > the abused, nor would it lessen the Childs pain throughout   
   their life   
   > > > > > > > > by   
   > > > > > > > > knowing the offender was paying a lifetime sentence. Something   
   to   
   > > > > > > > > think   
   > > > > > > > > about.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > You seem to have forgotten about when bad things happen to good   
   > > > > > > > people, or when good things happen to bad people -- a failure of   
   > > > > > > > karma. Now, how many *years* of fiendish torture in the fires of   
   Hell   
   > > > > > > > do you believe are necessary when dealing with child molesters?   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > I leave that in Gods hands and His wisdom. I know and understand   
   the   
   > > > > > > why’s   
   > > > > > > of the first part of your paragraph.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > LOL! You bet you should leave it there, since you yourself have no   
   > > > > > answer for it.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Why should I have an answer for it, it is in Gods hands and for his   
   > > > > purposes.   
   > > > > I understand some of those things but there is no way I or anyone on   
   earth   
   > > > > can discuss it with others as they would just keep on with endless   
   > > > > questions   
   > > > > for no reason other than to find a point where you can’t explain it   
   and   
   > > > > claim “GOTCHA’ and use that as some excuse to rationalize all   
   proper   
   > > > > thing before it, away, as it if was unjustified.   
   > > >   
   > > > So God has no answer for it either, in your view.   
   > >   
   > > And just how do you jump to that conclusion? That is a purposely offensive   
   > > statement.   
   >   
   > If it's in God's hands, and he still hasn't explained why he would be   
   > so cruel as to create a place like Helll, that must be because he has   
   > no answer. What other reason could that be?   
      
   Cruelty is in the eyes of the beholder. It is a poor excuse in an even poorer   
   reason to attempt to justify why you do not belong there. You have a lesser   
   example of that from men who are sent to prison for long terms especially to   
   keep from being on a chain gang, or dwelling in tents in the hot desert   
   lands.   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > God has all the answers, and he can answer you to your needs in such a   
   way   
   > > > > as you can be satisfied..   
   > > >   
   > > > But he's hiding them for some reason, right?   
   > >   
   > > You have not because you ask not.   
   >   
   > Others have asked, and they haven't pulled God out of his shell, so to   
   > speak.   
      
   Were they believers and in His family? If they were did they ask amiss?   
   IF they were non believers, or doubters, then they were not asking in faith   
   believing.   
      
   >   
   >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > If Miracles still occur there must be a reason behind   
   it.   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > You're getting ahead of yourself there.   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > I disagree, because miracles have been happening for 2K   
   years.   
   > > > > > > > > >   
      
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