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   Spirit in the womb of a woman, the Virgin Mary,[2] who is also known   
   as the Theotokos (Greek for "God-bearer" or "Mother of God"). The   
   doctrine of the incarnation then entails that Jesus was at the same   
   time both fully God and fully human.[3]"   
      
   >> > > > Jhn 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of   
   >> > > > righteousness, and of judgment:   
   >> > >   
   >> > > What do you suppose this means? I mean, I can use the NIV to get a   
   >> > > good sense of what's being said here, but can you with your KJV tell   
   >> > > us what it means to "reprove the world of sin"?   
   >> >   
   >> > By the Holy Spirit who leads the believer into all truth.   
   >>   
   >> No, that is not what it means. You should get a modern translation   
   >> and maybe then you'll understand what it's saying.   
   >   
   >I live it, you reject it.   
      
   Here is what it means:   
      
   John 16:8, NIV   
      
   8 When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin   
   and righteousness and judgment:   
      
   >> > > > > > > > > > > *he denigrates women by saying God is more like a man   
   than a woman   
   >> > > > > > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > > > > > Then you could also make that point from the Bible in the   
   book of   
   >> > > > > > > > > > Genesis.   
   >> > > > > > > > > > Within the first three chapters. Why? Because God made   
   man in His   
   >> > > > > > > > > > Image.   
   >> > > > > > > > > > The   
   >> > > > > > > > > > woman he cloned from Adam, for Adams sake, Eve was made   
   bone of his   
   >> > > > > > > > > > bone,   
   >> > > > > > > > > > flesh of his flesh. Separate.   
   >> > > > > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > > > > If Eve had been a clone of Adam, Eve would've been a male.   
   >> > > > > > > > > Furthermore, there's nothing wrong with being separate.   
   There *is*   
   >> > > > > > > > > something wrong with being inferior, which is how Gabe   
   refers to   
   >> > > > > > > > > feminine attributes.   
   >> > > > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > > > Adam was cloned for a purpose and with a purpose. To   
   procreate, and a   
   >> > > > > > > > helpmate.   
   >> > > > > > > > I didn’t personally see him denigrate women or call them   
   inferior. I   
   >> > > > > > > > am   
   >> > > > > > > > curious as to what part of the video that was in.   
   >> > > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > > At about 11:00 minutes in he says, "He's not feminine; he's not   
   soft;   
   >> > > > > > > he's not even nice. Sid, he doesn't play games -- he's a man. He   
   >> > > > > > > means what he says."   
   >> > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > I have told my kids when they were young that Jesus was buff.   
   After all,   
   >> > > > > > he   
   >> > > > > > grew up as a carpenter.   
   >> > > > > > He overturned the tables of money changers, etc. in the temple of   
   His   
   >> > > > > > Father.   
   >> > > > > > Yes, he means what he says, he is no wimp, and it will be Him who   
   judges   
   >> > > > > > all   
   >> > > > > > men.   
   >> > > > >   
   >> > > > > Sounds like an interesting fantasy world you've got there, but it   
   has   
   >> > > > > nothing to do with Jesus not having any feminine attributes.   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > What are feminine attributes? Love? Man have that, Nurturing? Men have   
   >> > > > that.   
   >> > > > Compassion, Men have that, it is integrated into the hearts of men.   
   Ever   
   >> > > > see   
   >> > > > firemen and or policeman cry? See the horror on their faces as they   
   hold a   
   >> > > > dying child or greatly injured child? Ever see or hear of a cop   
   showing   
   >> > > > empathy towards adults who were at the end of their rope? I have.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > Maybe you should tell Gabe that, given that he seems to think that   
   >> > > someone who meant what they say or avoid playing games could not be a   
   >> > > woman. I don't know how he would react to crying cops, but remember   
   >> > > that he says Jesus is not feminine.   
   >> >   
   >> > It is a destructive sin for a man to be effeminate, why is that?   
   >>   
   >> We're talking about being feminine, (like a crying police man), not   
   >> effeminate like a transvestite.   
   >   
   >No, you are talking about something you know little of.   
   >You know as much about being a woman as the last democratic VP wannabe knows   
   >about being a man.   
      
   What are we supposedly missing?   
      
   >> > > > So I don’t understand where you are coming from. Men were created in   
   the   
   >> > > > image of God, with all of his attributes, but in the realm of this   
   world.   
   >> > > > We   
   >> > > > were created less than the angels. Within us is the female DNA, as it   
   >> > > > were.   
   >> > > > Typically, females have two X chromosomes, while males have one X and   
   one   
   >> > > > Y   
   >> > > > chromosome. So obviously men had with in them the same attributes as   
   women   
   >> > > > of   
   >> > > > the 23 pairs of Chromosomes except for the pair that determined the   
   male   
   >> > > > of   
   >> > > > female bodily differences. And she was cloned as such so as to me a   
   >> > > > helpmate   
   >> > > > to man.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > Again, a clone could not be a different sex from what it's being   
   >> > > cloned from. So if Eve was a clone of Adam, she would have to be a   
   >> > > male.   
   >> >   
   >> > Not at all.   
   >> >   
   >> > Gen 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he   
   >> > slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead   
   thereof;   
   >> >   
   >> > Gen 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a   
   >> > woman,   
   >> > and brought her unto the man.   
   >> >   
   >> > Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my   
   flesh:   
   >> > she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.   
   >>   
   >> The Bible never says she was a clone, anymore than saying men are made   
   >> of mud; that was you that claimed that, and that's what I was   
   >> debunking.   
   >   
   >She was rebuilt into a woman, from a bone, the process is the same as   
   >cloning.verb, not noun.   
      
   If you insist that the Bible says Eve was a clone of Adam, you'll just   
   have to face the fact that the Bible is wrong on this.   
      
   >> > > > > > > So what's wrong with being soft or nice? And are women prone to   
   >> > > > > > > "playing games", more so then men? Do women not mean what they   
   say?   
   >> > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > He also is Love. PURE Love, and he knows what the intent of our   
   heart   
   >> > > > > > is.   
   >> > > > > > Thank you for your honestly in your reply, and what you described   
   was   
   >> > > > > > your   
   >> > > > > > own thoughts.   
   >> > > > > > I would never have thought that, and there is no reason for   
   anyone to.   
   >> > > > >   
   >> > > > > What are you talking about?   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > Reflecting on your comment. As I cannot see your point made, nor your   
   >> > > > reasoning there.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > Maybe you should reflect a little more before you post.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > > > > I was rough and tough, in this life, yet with women, and children   
   I was   
   >> > > > > > gentle and kind, Karen’s were given another chance ;) but if they   
   >> > > > > > persisted   
   >> > > > > > I would let them be. I would be understanding with men as well   
   when they   
   >> > > > > > were   
   >> > > > > > genuinely going through a rough time. But not with whiners,   
   wimps, or   
   >> > > > > > bullies of others. So I guess my outlook was a lot different than   
   yours.   
   >> > > > >   
   >> > > > > Do you think women are wimps?   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > Some are, but what is your point?   
   >> > >   
   >> > > I'm trying to determine whether you share Gabe's evident belief that   
   >> > > women are somehow less than men. Some women are wimps, but as a rule   
   >> > > do they tend to be wimps, in your view?   
   >> >   
   >> > Why do you always operate in the accusative. There is no reason for you to   
   >> > think that of Gabe or myself.   
   >>   
   >> I wasn't "thinking that", I was questioning you if you had that   
   >> opinion of women. I take it from your reply on this that the answer is   
      
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