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   >> > > > That is the problem with agendized dismissive arguments, they toss   
   out all   
   >> > > > forms of reality to focus on something that fits their narrative and   
   >> > > > thereby project false conclusions.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > Well, you're definitely not a purveyor of "reality."   
   >> >   
   >> > Same thing was said to the Wright brothers. And Issac Newton. And some in   
   >> > regards to the Heavenly Father. And had you given my statement some   
   thought   
   >> > you might see the truth in it.   
   >>   
   >> No, Isaac Newton was not ridiculed. "I know the lion by his claw," as   
   >> one mathematician/physicist remarked respectfully about one of   
   >> Newton's solutions to a problem. The Wright brothers were laughed at,   
   >> but so was Bozo the Clown (i.e., in this situation, the adage means   
   >> don't be so happy that you've been ridiculed).   
   >   
   >As I said, had you been looking for truth, and you weren’t. You were   
   >looking for possible points of arguments.   
      
   I already know enough about "truth" on this; I don't need your help to   
   find it in your ridiculous ideas.   
      
   >> > > > > Snip   
   >> > > > > So if God makes a mistake, he's unable to fix it, lest he break his   
   word?   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > That is assuming that he actually makes mistakes, How can a perfect   
   being   
   >> > > > make a mistake?   
   >> > >   
   >> > > He couldn't, but then your alleged God is not a perfect being. He   
   >> > > would have to be fallible if he created a dominion for man that didn't   
   >> > > work out.   
   >> >   
   >> > Actually recreated a domain for men that he gave them dominion over it.   
   >> > God knew before the earth was formed what is future was to be, and while   
   you   
   >> > should read Genesis 3 to see the fall out and its effects it says,...   
   >>   
   >> One possible solution to God's quandary in the story would be to make   
   >> dominion over the earth to be contingent on mankind's good behavior to   
   >> begin with, so he could remove that dominion if trouble started   
   >> without going back on his word or his interest in giving humans   
   >> dominion over the earth.   
   >   
   >More baseless assumptions   
      
   No, not at all.  I only assume what you claim or imply.   
      
   >> > Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy   
   >> > seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his   
   heel.   
   >> >   
   >> > Notice “her seed” a specific reference to Jesus of the seed of Mary. Not   
   >> > man and Mary but of God and Mary.   
   >>   
   >> No, it's talking about mankind's long battle with snakes, not Mary the   
   >> mother of Jesus. If it were, referring to Mary by name would be quite   
   >> a feather in the Bible's cap, but of course it never was.   
   >   
   >The bible is not an entity.   
      
   It's a collection of books believed to be inspired by many Christians.   
   How is that not "an entity"?   
      
   >> > (Messiah to be the seed of the woman). The servants of Christ are members   
   of   
   >> > that body of which Christ is the head, and therefore are included in this   
   >> > seed.   
   >>   
   >> No, the quaint fairy tale in the first part of Genesis has nothing   
   >> whatsoever to do with the Messiah.   
   >   
   >Knee jerk reaction. ;)   
      
   No, that comes from careful study of the tale from a critical   
   perspective.   
      
   >> > 1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.   
   >>   
   >> No, be ye annoying, as he is annoying.   
   >>   
   >> > 1Pe 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons   
   judgeth   
   >> > according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in   
   >> > fear:   
   >>   
   >> You still have to refer to our prayers being "in Jesus' name,"   
   >> apparently because you're so fearful of the Father's wrath that you   
   >> have to mention that Jesus is with you when you talk to the Father.   
   >   
   >I don’t have to do anything. I do not live in fear of the wrath of the   
   >Heavenly Father. There is a reason of promise as to why one prays in his   
   >name. But you know it not.   
      
   What reason is that?   
      
   >> > 1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible   
   >> > things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by   
   >> > tradition from your fathers;   
   >> >   
   >> > 1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without   
   blemish   
   >> > and without spot:   
   >>   
   >> A depiction of a bloodthirsty deity.   
   >>   
   >> > ***********************   
   >> >   
   >> > 1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world,   
   but   
   >> > was manifest in these last times for you,   
   >>   
   >> LOL! He thought he was living in the last times!   
   >>   
   >> > ***********************   
   >> >   
   >> > 1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead,   
   and   
   >> > gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.   
   >>   
   >> What is the point of those quotations?   
   >   
   >Can’t keep up with the convo? You were so busy with your intent of picking   
   >things apart that you never grasped the thought of the context. It answered a   
   >comment you made in a questioning form.   
      
   No, you posted a bunch of non sequiturs for reasons, at present, that   
   only you know of.   
      
   >> > There is the proof that he knew ahead of time what would happen.   
   Understood   
   >> > what might happen, and could happen and provided a way of escape from the   
   >> > very beginning. And like satan who desired to be God, and be bigger and   
   >> > badder than God, would by their life choices would be made manifest and go   
   >> > to dwell with Satan, their leader/ comrade in arms. Birds of a feather   
   and all   
   >> > that.   
   >>   
   >> This character Satan should have long since been killed.   
   >>   
   >> > > > > > > > It is also why Jesus said to pray that the will of the Father   
   be free   
   >> > > > > > > > to operate on earth, as He does in heaven.   
   >> > > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > > If the Father knows all, what's the point of asking about it?   
   >> > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > Jesus is not the Father.   
   >> > > > >   
   >> > > > > Yes, but what would he be doing praying to the Father? Is the Father   
   >> > > > > hard of hearing when it comes to who prays to him?   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > Praying is talking, holding a conversation with, both in this world,   
   as   
   >> > > > well   
   >> > > > as between this world and the spiritual world that has and will always   
   >> > > > exist.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > No, prayer is just talking to yourself. Otherwise, in your   
   >> > > conversation with God, he would be able to tell you things like what's   
   >> > > the temperature outside -- but he can only tell you things that you   
   >> > > already know, indicating that in prayer is, like I said, just talking   
   >> > > to yourself.   
   >> >   
   >> > Well, I can sure tell you have had no relationship with Him. Also that you   
   >> > are clueless about how he Fathers.   
   >>   
   >> So has God ever told you what the temperature is outside?   
   >   
   >Was there ever a need for that?   
      
   Yes.  It can tell you how to dress for the weather.   
      
   >> > Jhn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you   
   >> > into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall   
   >> > hear, that’s hall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.   
   >>   
   >> What was God supposedly waiting on to provide this Spirit of truth? I   
   >> mean it's not as if the book of John was written the day Jesus   
   >> supposedly left the earth.   
   >   
   >While I know you are incapable of understanding, it was always available to   
   >the prophets of God. But was made possible to all who were redeemed by Jesus.   
      
   Why would it need to be "redeemed by Jesus"?   
      
   >> > Everything he told me came true exactly as specified. He has also   
   admonished   
   >> > me when needed, answered my prayer before I could even formulate a request   
   >> > in my mind. And later showed me a verse confirming his action that I   
   needed at   
      
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