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   > > > > > > understanding of many things.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Remind us why you are "not into arguments of this [scientific?] type"   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Because I am more focused on sharing the things and realities of   
   Christ.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > I would inhabit the wood working NG’s if I wanted to learn and share,   
   > > > > Same   
   > > > > with various sciences, same with the field of electricity, or   
   electronics,   
   > > > > magnetism, engine design, communications, Chemistry, hac   
   ing/programming.   
   > > > > Etc. I still dabble in these things on occasion for short periods, even   
   > > > > photography, lenses, and all things related to that, but my primary   
   focus,   
   > > > > interest, and devotion is the things of the Lord Jesus Christ, His and   
   My   
   > > > > Heavenly Father, and the Heavenly Father is the Father of all   
   believers in   
   > > > > Jesus who walk with the spirit of God. I am really looking forward to   
   > > > > eternity with him as there is no time, no limitations, and all that we   
   can   
   > > > > create it is possible to due there, for the benefit of all.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > God has stated that heaven is multiple times greater than one can   
   think or   
   > > > > imagine, no limitations. I can think of no greater joy than to be   
   there,   
   > > > > with   
   > > > > Him. With full truth, love, and knowledge with wisdom, and be truly set   
   > > > > free   
   > > > > from the bindings of these earth. That will truly be a world without   
   end.   
   > > >   
   > > > If you're looking forward to heaven, why doesn't God take you into   
   > > > heaven now, to a place where you'll be presumably happier?   
   > >   
   > > Did you already forget that you brought up that question earlier and it was   
   > > discussed, in this thread?   
   >   
   > Do you consider yourself spiritually able to be happy in heaven? I   
   > think you may be confusing this question as it applied to Gabe Poirot,   
   > not you.   
      
   If I am happy here because of God, and I have been forgiven of all my sins   
   here, how much more so would I be in Heaven, that is a given. For now I know   
   in part and see in part, but there I will be made complaint in the fulness of   
   His Glory. Plus all the former things will be wiped away to be remembered no   
   more. And I have already received the surety of His Promise, in this world.   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > > > > > There used to be some great scientists, and I am sure there   
   are some   
   > > > > > > > > now,   
   > > > > > > > > but to make money often destroys their desire and limits what   
   they can   
   > > > > > > > > do   
   > > > > > > > > because of object focus, which limits there ability to follow   
   the   
   > > > > > > > > offspring trails   
   > > > > > > > > into other possibly great things. That is how things work best.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > No, science is not a for-profit business activity.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > What world do you dwell in?   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > You have a really cynical view of science. My understanding of its   
   > > > > > purpose is to learn about the natural world, not to make a few bucks.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > You are speaking solely of the hobbyist, typically those with limited   
   > > > > funds, thereby severely limited.   
   > > >   
   > > > No, not at all. I'm talking about professional scientists, whose goal   
   > > > is to learn, not earn.   
   > >   
   > > Look up the definition of ‘proessional'   
   >   
   > They earn a salary. How does that make them business executives?   
      
   Am I to take that as you have never worked for, or been employed in a   
   business large of small for even one day in your life? Ever been a project   
   manager, dept head, or a CEO,CAO, CFO, or Pres, VP or anything equivalent   
   even remotely?   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > Having some knowledge of the professional scientists, and the NDA’s   
   they   
   > > > > are forced to sign, and or disclose ongoing private research they do   
   as a   
   > > > > hobby, and the business end of it, things are not what they seem, and   
   when   
   > > > > you discover something, and it is found to have value associated with   
   it,   
   > > > > your name on that paper, depending on your position with the corporate   
   > > > > employer, may be only at the end of a list of Five more or less names   
   of   
   > > > > others. And even if you were the sole author of the project, and   
   director   
   > > > > of   
   > > > > those that were hired to assist you, the corporate chain of command   
   takes   
   > > > > precedence and you are a mere peon added to the list.   
   > > >   
   > > > Scientists may crave fame and success, but not the money that may come   
   > > > with those under other circumstances.   
   > >   
   > > Some have a primary focus on their desires to learn and understand or at   
   > > least start out that way, an then quickly learn that like most people they   
   > > need to eat and have a decent place to dwell in.   
   >   
   > So now you're claiming that all people, even non-profits, are   
   > entrepreneurs!   
      
   Some means all? Most NFP’s are entrepreneur's at the corporate lever are,   
   and many are con artists, etc.   
   Even at the University level there are many empire builders as are many   
   educational levels.   
      
   But that whole field is corrupted and the sincere educators are run over and   
   taken advantage of.   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > I have had too many friends that were burnt out because of it and quit   
   > > > > their   
   > > > > fields entirely, and could not even do further work on their personal   
   > > > > projects due to the forced agreements. Now some of my children and   
   > > > > grandchildren are in various fields and some of them cannot even speak   
   to   
   > > > > me   
   > > > > in any degree about what they are doing. Which is not a bad thing, lol,   
   > > > > since without it we can just be family and not get side tracked.   
   > > >   
   > > > What scientific fields are they in? When I was collaborating with my   
   > > > physics professors in undergraduate school and graduate school, I was   
   > > > never told we had an NDA and that I therefore couldn't talk about what   
   > > > I was researching.   
   > >   
   > > They are employed in their profession, as were all my my friends. And some   
   > > of my friends had their own companies and for legal reasons as well as self   
   > > preservation had to require others to sign them. If you knew anything about   
   > > business you would understand why. It is extremely difficult to design and   
   > > NDA and word it is such a way as to allow freedom of expression that we all   
   > > desire, and only limit it to specific arenas as their are many ancillary   
   > > tracks or veins of thought that went into it or stem from it.   
   >   
   > Science is not a business operation, even if NDAs are used. Then why do the   
   have P&L statements?   
   >   
   >   
   > > Even in a scholarly environment were freedoms used to be the rule of the   
   > > day,   
   > > things have changed. And many professors have side gigs related to their   
   > > profession. And what better place to grab ideas, trains of thoughts than   
   > > from   
   > > young people, and then take their ideas that have merit, build on them and   
   > > thereby profit. There may be a very few who would tell the student of the   
   > > possibilities of their idea or concept/s and assist them to develop them   
   > > while they continue in their studies and not just halt their education by   
   > > getting sidetracked.   
   >   
   > Do the words "rich young scientist" sound right to you? (Hint: they   
   > shouldn't, since scientists are not in it for the money).   
      
   Avoid a search on the WWW at all costs. :)   
      
   Also avoid a search for poor young scientists who are worried about funding   
   cuts and where the money is going to come from.   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > > > > > There used to be think tanks where someone with great wealth   
   would   
   > > > > > > > > fund   
      
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