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   >His Glory. Plus all the former things will be wiped away to be remembered no   
   >more. And I have already received the surety of His Promise, in this world.   
      
   That doesn't answer the question of whether you're spiritually able to   
   be happy in heaven (not on earth, which is what you replied about)?   
      
   >> > > > > > > > There used to be some great scientists, and I am sure there   
   are some   
   >> > > > > > > > now,   
   >> > > > > > > > but to make money often destroys their desire and limits what   
   they can   
   >> > > > > > > > do   
   >> > > > > > > > because of object focus, which limits there ability to follow   
   the   
   >> > > > > > > > offspring trails   
   >> > > > > > > > into other possibly great things. That is how things work   
   best.   
   >> > > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > > No, science is not a for-profit business activity.   
   >> > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > What world do you dwell in?   
   >> > > > >   
   >> > > > > You have a really cynical view of science. My understanding of its   
   >> > > > > purpose is to learn about the natural world, not to make a few   
   bucks.   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > You are speaking solely of the hobbyist, typically those with limited   
   >> > > > funds, thereby severely limited.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > No, not at all. I'm talking about professional scientists, whose goal   
   >> > > is to learn, not earn.   
   >> >   
   >> > Look up the definition of ‘proessional'   
   >>   
   >> They earn a salary. How does that make them business executives?   
   >   
   >Am I to take that as you have never worked for, or been employed in a   
   >business large of small for even one day in your life? Ever been a project   
   >manager, dept head, or a CEO,CAO, CFO, or Pres, VP or anything equivalent   
   >even remotely?   
      
   I worked in retail for a number of years, but  never reached the CEO   
   level.  But have you ever heard of a scientist being a CEO of a   
   science department in a university?  Stop trying to project   
   non-scientific values onto scientists.   
      
   >> > > > Having some knowledge of the professional scientists, and the NDA’s   
   they   
   >> > > > are forced to sign, and or disclose ongoing private research they do   
   as a   
   >> > > > hobby, and the business end of it, things are not what they seem, and   
   when   
   >> > > > you discover something, and it is found to have value associated with   
   it,   
   >> > > > your name on that paper, depending on your position with the corporate   
   >> > > > employer, may be only at the end of a list of Five more or less names   
   of   
   >> > > > others. And even if you were the sole author of the project, and   
   director   
   >> > > > of   
   >> > > > those that were hired to assist you, the corporate chain of command   
   takes   
   >> > > > precedence and you are a mere peon added to the list.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > Scientists may crave fame and success, but not the money that may come   
   >> > > with those under other circumstances.   
   >> >   
   >> > Some have a primary focus on their desires to learn and understand or at   
   >> > least start out that way, an then quickly learn that like most people they   
   >> > need to eat and have a decent place to dwell in.   
   >>   
   >> So now you're claiming that all people, even non-profits, are   
   >> entrepreneurs!   
   >   
   >Some means all? Most NFP’s are entrepreneur's at the corporate lever are,   
   >and many are con artists, etc.   
      
   I'm sure there are some con-artists, but others just want to make the   
   world a better place.  Or are you projecting your own greed onto them?   
      
   >Even at the University level there are many empire builders as are   
   >many educational levels.   
      
   Any examples?   
      
   >But that whole field is corrupted and the sincere educators are run over and   
   >taken advantage of.   
      
   Any examples for that?   
      
   >> > > > I have had too many friends that were burnt out because of it and quit   
   >> > > > their   
   >> > > > fields entirely, and could not even do further work on their personal   
   >> > > > projects due to the forced agreements. Now some of my children and   
   >> > > > grandchildren are in various fields and some of them cannot even   
   speak to   
   >> > > > me   
   >> > > > in any degree about what they are doing. Which is not a bad thing,   
   lol,   
   >> > > > since without it we can just be family and not get side tracked.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > What scientific fields are they in? When I was collaborating with my   
   >> > > physics professors in undergraduate school and graduate school, I was   
   >> > > never told we had an NDA and that I therefore couldn't talk about what   
   >> > > I was researching.   
   >> >   
   >> > They are employed in their profession, as were all my my friends. And some   
   >> > of my friends had their own companies and for legal reasons as well as   
   self   
   >> > preservation had to require others to sign them. If you knew anything   
   about   
   >> > business you would understand why. It is extremely difficult to design and   
   >> > NDA and word it is such a way as to allow freedom of expression that we   
   all   
   >> > desire, and only limit it to specific arenas as their are many ancillary   
   >> > tracks or veins of thought that went into it or stem from it.   
   >>   
   >> Science is not a business operation, even if NDAs are used.   
      
   >Then why do the have P&L statements?   
      
   Because they use and need money, just like everyone else.  That   
   doesn't mean they're earning profit margins of 100% or such.  If   
   business is the art of making money, then that's just one more part of   
   popular culture that academic scientists aren't interested in.   
      
   >> > Even in a scholarly environment were freedoms used to be the rule of the   
   >> > day,   
   >> > things have changed. And many professors have side gigs related to their   
   >> > profession. And what better place to grab ideas, trains of thoughts than   
   >> > from   
   >> > young people, and then take their ideas that have merit, build on them and   
   >> > thereby profit. There may be a very few who would tell the student of the   
   >> > possibilities of their idea or concept/s and assist them to develop them   
   >> > while they continue in their studies and not just halt their education by   
   >> > getting sidetracked.   
   >>   
   >> Do the words "rich young scientist" sound right to you? (Hint: they   
   >> shouldn't, since scientists are not in it for the money).   
   >   
   >Avoid a search on the WWW at all costs. :)   
   >   
   >Also avoid a search for poor young scientists who are worried about funding   
   >cuts and where the money is going to come from.   
      
   I was referring to scientists in academia, not those in engineering   
   pursuits.   
      
   >> > > > > > > > There used to be think tanks where someone with great wealth   
   would   
   >> > > > > > > > fund   
   >> > > > > > > > research without limitations of directions, allowing dream   
   chasers to   
   >> > > > > > > > run   
   >> > > > > > > > freely, uninhibited. Whether they were seemingly successful   
   or not. I   
   >> > > > > > > > don’t now it that exists anymore.   
   >> > > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > > No, science is better than think tanks.   
   >> > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > Then you have limited knowledge in regards to think tanks. I was   
   looking   
   >> > > > > > into   
   >> > > > > > funding for one in my early years due to my inquisitive nature in   
   many   
   >> > > > > > things and arena's.   
   >> > > > >   
   >> > > > > So why did you lose your interest in think tanks? And what makes   
   them   
   >> > > > > even on a par with scientific excellence?   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > It has nothing to do with scientific excellence it has to do with   
   ideas   
   >> > > > carried out to their useful ends and or total failures thus proving   
   it to   
   >> > > > be   
   >> > > > just another pipe dream. That part of my life I did not wan't to sell   
   to   
   >> > > > anyone, although one of my project ideas I wish that I could have   
   given it   
   >> > > > to the proper people for even free, since it would/could have helped   
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