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   >> > > > > > > > > What is the name of this thread? Is it "I died and was   
   teetering on   
   >> > > > > > > > > the edge of death for 18 years"? Or is it *I died*... and   
   went to   
   >> > > > > > > > > heaven for 18 days"   
   >> > > > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > > > The latter, of course, but the Apostle Paul was just   
   mentioned and His   
   >> > > > > > > > trip   
   >> > > > > > > > to heaven so I could not tell to whom you were referring.   
   >> > > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > > If it was the latter, why does Gabe describe his condition being   
   >> > > > > > > teetering between life and death, rather than just death?   
   >> > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > From what I gathered those things happened on and off during   
   various   
   >> > > > > > days   
   >> > > > > > in   
   >> > > > > > the midst of the 18 days.   
   >> > > > > > His book coming out should cover a whole lot more detail, and I   
   plan on   
   >> > > > > > buying it to see what all was written.   
   >> > > > >   
   >> > > > > What do you think about his association with Kenneth Copeland?   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > What association?   
   >> > >   
   >> > > He's involved in the scam of the prosperity gospel   
   >> >   
   >> > Like I said, he died years ago.   
   >> > Scams are done by fraudsters, false prophets, etc.   
   >> > And hucksters are more gullible that those they defraud.   
   >>   
   >> What about wealthy televangelists? Is it God, in your opinion, that   
   >> makes them rich? Or is it all a scam?   
   >   
   >Some are and some aren’t. God is weeding out the garden.   
      
   Are you suggesting that there are less televangelists now than there   
   used to be (since, in your view, some have been "weeded out")?   
      
   >>   
   >> > >> > > > > Obviously the yung man said he was dead, with rigor mortise at   
   the   
   >> > > > > > > > fore,   
   >> > > > > > > > and at the end he was to be or about to be, put into a body   
   bag.   
   >> > > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > > What about post-mortem decay, as mentioned by some other poster?   
   >> > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > What about it, they did not view the video, you did, you also   
   heard that   
   >> > > > > > they   
   >> > > > > > put him on life support systems, which is typically done on the   
   dead in   
   >> > > > > > order   
   >> > > > > > to preserve short term viability in order to harvest organs from   
   those   
   >> > > > > > that   
   >> > > > > > are organ donors.   
   >> > > > >   
   >> > > > > They had to wait 18 days after he died to harvest his organs? Was he   
   >> > > > > even an organ donor to begin with?   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > I never said that, I just explained that the same process was used to   
   keep   
   >> > > > him ’alive’ as for them, I gathered that his family was hoping that he   
   >> > > > would recover naturally as others have. After all they gave him meds   
   to   
   >> > > > assure that he would be put into a comatose state which helps many to   
   >> > > > recover from brain injuries.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > A comatose state is not death.   
   >> >   
   >> > Who said it was?   
   >>   
   >> Anyone who claims Gabe Poirot was dead for 18 days.   
   >   
   >You are not a Doctor, you know not what is clinically dead.   
      
   I don't have to be to know that some people claim he was dead.   
      
   >Luk 16:27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest   
   >send him to my father's house:   
   >   
   >Luk 16:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they   
   >also come into this place of torment.   
   >   
   >Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them   
   >hear them.   
   >   
   >Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from   
   >the dead, they will repent.   
   >   
   >Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets,   
   >neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.   
      
   A silly little story.   
      
   >> > > > > > That is the problem with agendized dismissive arguments, they   
   toss out   
   >> > > > > > all   
   >> > > > > > forms of reality to focus on something that fits their narrative   
   and   
   >> > > > > > thereby project false conclusions.   
   >> > > > >   
   >> > > > > Well, you're definitely not a purveyor of "reality."   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > Same thing was said to the Wright brothers. And Issac Newton. And   
   some in   
   >> > > > regards to the Heavenly Father. And had you given my statement some   
   >> > > > thought   
   >> > > > you might see the truth in it.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > No, Isaac Newton was not ridiculed. "I know the lion by his claw," as   
   >> > > one mathematician/physicist remarked respectfully about one of   
   >> > > Newton's solutions to a problem. The Wright brothers were laughed at,   
   >> > > but so was Bozo the Clown (i.e., in this situation, the adage means   
   >> > > don't be so happy that you've been ridiculed).   
   >> >   
   >> > As I said, had you been looking for truth, and you weren’t. You were   
   >> > looking for possible points of arguments.   
   >>   
   >> I already know enough about "truth" on this; I don't need your help to   
   >> find it in your ridiculous ideas.   
   >>   
   >> > > > Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and   
   between thy   
   >> > > > seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his   
   >> > > > heel.   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > Notice “her seed” a specific reference to Jesus of the seed of Mary.   
   >> > > > Not   
   >> > > > man and Mary but of God and Mary.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > No, it's talking about mankind's long battle with snakes, not Mary the   
   >> > > mother of Jesus. If it were, referring to Mary by name would be quite   
   >> > > a feather in the Bible's cap, but of course it never was.   
   >> >   
   >> > The bible is not an entity.   
   >>   
   >> It's a collection of books believed to be inspired by many Christians.   
   >> How is that not "an entity"?   
   >>   
   >> > > > (Messiah to be the seed of the woman). The servants of Christ are   
   members   
   >> > > > of   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > that body of which Christ is the head, and therefore are included in   
   this   
   >> > > > seed.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > No, the quaint fairy tale in the first part of Genesis has nothing   
   >> > > whatsoever to do with the Messiah.   
   >> >   
   >> > Knee jerk reaction. ;)   
   >>   
   >> No, that comes from careful study of the tale from a critical   
   >> perspective.   
   >>   
   >> > > > 1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > No, be ye annoying, as he is annoying.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > > 1Pe 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons   
   >> > > > judgeth   
   >> > > > according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here   
   in   
   >> > > > fear:   
   >> > >   
   >> > > You still have to refer to our prayers being "in Jesus' name,"   
   >> > > apparently because you're so fearful of the Father's wrath that you   
   >> > > have to mention that Jesus is with you when you talk to the Father.   
   >> >   
   >> > I don’t have to do anything. I do not live in fear of the wrath of the   
   >> > Heavenly Father. There is a reason of promise as to why one prays in his   
   >> > name. But you know it not.   
   >>   
   >> What reason is that?   
   >   
   >I hold the surety that was promised.   
      
   And you don't think the alleged Father knows about that?   
      
   >> > > > 1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with   
   corruptible   
   >> > > > things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by   
   >> > > > tradition from your fathers;   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > 1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without   
   >> > > > blemish and without spot:   
   >> > >   
   >> > > A depiction of a bloodthirsty deity.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > > ***********************   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > 1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the   
   world,   
   >> > > > but was manifest in these last times for you,   
   >> > >   
   >> > > LOL! He thought he was living in the last times!   
   >> > >   
   >> > > > ***********************   
   >> > > >   
      
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