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   >> > > > 1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the   
   dead,   
   >> > > > and   
   >> > > > gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > What is the point of those quotations?   
   >> >   
   >> > Can’t keep up with the convo? You were so busy with your intent of picking   
   >> > things apart that you never grasped the thought of the context. It   
   answered   
   >> > a comment you made in a questioning form.   
   >>   
   >> No, you posted a bunch of non sequiturs for reasons, at present, that   
   >> only you know of.   
   >   
   >Can’t maintain a train of thought? Or failed in philosophy?   
      
   Why do you say that?  And philosophy would be a good thing to fail at,   
   if you had to choose.   
      
   >> > > > There is the proof that he knew ahead of time what would happen.   
   >> > > > Understood   
   >> > > > what might happen, and could happen and provided a way of escape from   
   the   
   >> > > > very beginning. And like satan who desired to be God, and be bigger   
   and   
   >> > > > badder than God, would by their life choices would be made manifest   
   and go   
   >> > > > to dwell with Satan, their leader/ comrade in arms. Birds of a feather   
   >> > > > and all that.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > This character Satan should have long since been killed.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > So has God ever told you what the temperature is outside?   
   >> >   
   >> > Was there ever a need for that?   
   >>   
   >> Yes. It can tell you how to dress for the weather.   
   >>   
   >> > > > Jhn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will   
   guide you   
   >> > > > into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he   
   shall   
   >> > > > hear, that’s hall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > What was God supposedly waiting on to provide this Spirit of truth? I   
   >> > > mean it's not as if the book of John was written the day Jesus   
   >> > > supposedly left the earth.   
   >> >   
   >> > While I know you are incapable of understanding, it was always available   
   to   
   >> > the prophets of God. But was made possible to all who were redeemed by   
   >> > Jesus.   
   >>   
   >> Why would it need to be "redeemed by Jesus"?   
   >   
   >If you actually read your bible and know more than most all christians, then   
   >you would have known what was said about it.   
   >>   
   >> You mean you imagined that he was by your side, and attributed your   
   >> own problem-solving skills to Jesus -- and an unasked question was   
   >> just something in your subconscious, the same level of consciousness   
   >> which you used to solve the problem in step-by-step fashion. No Jesus   
   >> was involved.   
   >   
   >You were not there, and you do not know. You have no reason to know and you   
   >care not to know.   
      
   I don't have to have been there to recognize the signs of   
   self-deluding on your part.   
      
   >Even so Jesus is holding the door open for you while you still have breath.   
      
   LOL!  I don't see any reason to believe that's true.   
      
   >> > > > > > > > It was a point that the young man made about Jesus   
   >> > > > > > > > the prayers of man that he blessed and then handed it to the   
   Heavenly   
   >> > > > > > > > Father   
   >> > > > > > > > to bless, and return the answers for them. It is also backed   
   up in   
   >> > > > > > > > scripture   
   >> > > > > > > > From the first chapter of Genesis on.   
   >> > > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > > No, the plural of God in the book of Genesis is just a remnant   
   of   
   >> > > > > > > early Israelite polytheism. It has nothing to do with God the   
   Father.   
   >> > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > It was mentioned before there were any Israelites. The young man   
   >> > > > > > mentioned   
   >> > > > > > the realities of that without making a big point about it, for   
   which   
   >> > > > > > I’d   
   >> > > > > > bet many religious types will flack him for it, as well as   
   calling him a   
   >> > > > > > total fraud because it does not match up with their supposed   
   doctrines   
   >> > > > > > of   
   >> > > > > > men. Jesus when he returned to the Father was seated at the right   
   hand   
   >> > > > > > of   
   >> > > > > > the Heavenly Father. NOT on the throne of the Heavenly Father.   
   >> > > > >   
   >> > > > > No, the setting of the story in Genesis is pre-Israelite but in   
   >> > > > > reality it was composed in Israel much later than that. And Jesus   
   >> > > > > sitting at the right hand of his Father is a remnant from the early   
   >> > > > > days of Jesus' preachings, when he was considered to be somewhat   
   less   
   >> > > > > of a ruler than his Father was.   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > Did you bother to read what I said? It sure does not look like it.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > Read it? The whole paragraph is a rebuttal of what you said.   
   >> >   
   >> > I stated that it was before the time of the Israelites, so just what were   
   >> > you   
   >> > rebutting?   
   >>   
   >> Just that. I said it was composed after Israel became a nation, not   
   >> before.   
   >   
   >Which I said right off the bat. Which is one of the reasons I question your   
   >reading skills.   
      
   No, your claim was that it was "mentioned before there were any   
   Israelites."    It's still visible in the attributions above.   
      
   >Now of course if you just skim things with no thoughts and jump over lengthy   
   >things I can understand why you miss much, sort of like Mitch does.   
      
   What lengthy things have I supposedly jumped over?   
      
   >> > > > > Why couldn't you go to heaven and get spiritually saved there?   
   >> > > > > Wouldn't that be fun?   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > Those that die and are not of God, go to hell.Sin is not allowed in   
   heaven,   
   >> > > > I suppose you could have a vision of heaven, so as to see what truth   
   and   
   >> > > > life is like and the same thing with hell.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > So you just didn't want to go to heaven at that point in your life?   
   >> >   
   >> > I have never been to heaven via a vision, or tele-transportation or   
   physical   
   >> > death.   
   >>   
   >> Is that why you didn't want to go to heaven at that point in your   
   >> life?   
   >   
   >I am ready to go at anytime, but I have certain responsibilities here that   
   >have to be followed through until at the minimum those I care about can be   
   >well taken care of.   
      
   Wouldn't God be able to take over those responsibilities for you?   
      
   >>   
   >>    
   >>   
   >> > > > > And don't forget the fire of Hell itself. Real flames, right? I   
   >> > > > > notice you didn't mention that in your description of Hell. And by   
   the   
   >> > > > > way, in the Bible, Satan is punished in Hell. He doesn't rule over   
   >> > > > > like Sunday School theology would have us believe.   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > Satan is the god of this world, At the bottom of the pit there is   
   fire,   
   >> > > > but   
   >> > > > the lake of Fire and brimstone is elsewhere. Hell is a holding pen,   
   it is   
   >> > > > not the final resting place of the damned.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > So where is Hell located, anyway? In the center of the earth?   
   >> >   
   >> > A pit, with sides deep in the earth   
   >>   
   >> Where on earth would that be? Can we set up sight-seeing trips to   
   >> visit it?   
   >   
   >Would your heart be strong enough to survive the trip to hell? I’ve heard   
   >of more than one who had severe cases of PTSD.   
      
   I wasn't suggesting going into Hell, just going to visit it from the   
   outside.  But your knowledge of geography must be very poor if you   
   think there's somewhere on earth where people are being tormented in a   
   a "pit." If there was such a thing it would be on all the maps, to say   
   the least.   
      
   >> > > > > > > > What God would give a man a billion afternoons of peace and   
   pure   
   >> > > > > > > > delights?   
   >> > > > > > > > And what God would want a billion Karen’s there to oppose him   
   and   
   >> > > > > > > > the   
   >> > > > > > > > people that entered heaven?   
   >> > > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > > Non sequitur.   
   >> > > > > > Can’t relate. Eh?   
   >> > > > >   
      
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