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   >Some from their beginnings, some others because they fell away by temptations   
   >and other things.   
   >That happened to Jimmy Swaggart, and he fell hard, and paid the price for it.   
   >Yet he truly repented. And died in faith believing. He was even able to lead   
   >his cousin to the Lord near the end of life, while they both had life. Jerry   
   >Lee Lewis who wanted nothing to do with God for most all of his life.   
      
   No, after his "I have sinned" speech, he went *back* to prostitution.   
      
   >> > God blesses his own.   
   >> > I could tell you stories about God blessing me, in RL, and how I learned   
   >> > about such things. But it would be of no help to you as you are not of a   
   >> > mind to understand and learn.   
   >>   
   >> True, I don't regard you as my teacher. It's probably best if you   
   >> keep the stories to yourself, since I would guess that they're not   
   >> very convincing anyway.   
   >   
   >I know I am not your teacher, and I surely would not want to be known as   
   >that. It is for sure that no one would consider me to be one for you anyhow.   
      
   Of course.   
      
   >>   
   >> > > > Oral passed away long ago.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_Roberts   
   >> > >   
   >> > > "Even though Roberts was often associated with the prosperity gospel   
   >> > > and the faith movement because of his close doctrinal and personal   
   >> > > ties with Word-Faith teachers, his abundant life teachings did not   
   >> > > fully identify him with that movement.[37]"   
   >> >   
   >> > Yet you place him fully there. I am a bit surprised that there was a   
   modicum   
   >> > of truth there, being that it was WIKI.   
   >>   
   >> I didn't say he fully was, only that he was into it, at whatever   
   >> level.   
   >   
   >There is a lot of misunderstanding about what a word of Faith teacher is, and   
   >what it isn’t and I know some very bitter ‘christians’ who are into   
   >hatred of things they know not of worse that the typical atheist.   
      
   Such as?   
      
   >But anyone who is into false prosperity Gospel will pay the price. When a   
   >persons focus is on money either the gain of it or the rejection of it, their   
   >minds and hearts are not towards the Almighty God. Money controls their life,   
   >either way.   
      
   No, there's nothing wrong with focusing on money, as long as you don't   
   take it to extremes.   
      
   >> > > > >   
   >> > > > >   
   >> > > > > > > > But the best is soon to come and is already on its way.   
   >> > > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > > Why isn't it here now?   
   >> > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > It is, and it is picking up world wide. Even mentioned in part by   
   that   
   >> > > > > > young   
   >> > > > > > man.   
   >> > > > >   
   >> > > > > How long has it been "picking up world wide"?   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > A few months.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > So how soon do you anticipate the return of Christ, based on "a few   
   >> > > months" mentioned here?   
   >> >   
   >> > I could not say anything definitive, and neither can Christ. But when you   
   >> > see the city of Damascus destroyed over night then note it will be   
   extremely   
   >> > soon.   
   >>   
   >> And if years pass by without the destruction of Damascus, what then?   
   >   
   >Then it means it is not yet the time. God is not willing that any perish. But   
   >that they would see Him.   
   >He knows the status of the hearts of all men, individually.   
      
   So you don't know whether events from the last few months are really   
   and indicator of the end times we're supposedly living in.   
      
   >> > > > > > Both of them were in Arkansas, although Duane has since moved to   
   Texas,   
   >> > > > > > and his son has taken over in Arkansas.   
   >> > > > > > Search them to find the reports. The other families I don’t know   
   if   
   >> > > > > > they   
   >> > > > > > made it public. And so I would not want to create issues for them   
   >> > > > >   
   >> > > > > That doesn't tell me the when, where, and why of these NDEs.   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > Why settle for hearsay when you can hear what they say about it?   
   >> > >   
   >> > > Which is what?   
   >> >   
   >> > I just told you what to look for so you can hear it for yourself. If you   
   are   
   >> > not motived to look for it, then obviously you are not interested.   
   >>   
   >> I looked for it and found just a slick website by someone who claimed   
   >> to be an evangelist. Nothing about NDEs was involved.   
   >   
   >Right, and that is what he is. He has many videos, on his sight, you would   
   >have to do a search to find the video/videos. Duanes was several years ago,   
   >and they are also on Your tube so a You tube search should bring it up. I   
   >don’t know that he stated it was an NDE but that he died, He didn’t Mae a   
   >big deal about it, but just talked about it He is not the tv type person, he   
   >came from a background family of moonshiners, He wa going to be a tennis   
   >start in college as he was that good at it, then he met the Lord and gave it   
   >up and went tp a bible college. He is an excellent bible teacher and. There   
   >is nothing bad to say about him as a person.   
      
   Why don't you do those searches, since you brought this guy up.   
      
   >> > > > > > You didn’t read it very well. "and this strongly suggests that   
   the OBE   
   >> > > > > > is   
   >> > > > > > caused by "temporary, minor   
   >> > > > > > brain malfunctions, not by the person's spirit actually leaving   
   the   
   >> > > > > > body.”   
   >> > > > >   
   >> > > > > I did read it very well, and in fact I support their conclusions.   
   What   
   >> > > > > are you talking about?   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > They did not state that it was a fact, just "strongly suggests” other   
   >> > > > scientists “suspect”/\.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > Going with what they strongly suggest would seem to be the wisest   
   >> > > course of action.   
   >> >   
   >> > Really? So you put faith in the unsubstantiated words of men? Even when   
   they   
   >> > disagree on it as point out in the article?   
   >>   
   >> What makes you thin they're unsubstantiated? They've done the   
   >> research, so they should know.   
   >   
   >Yet they disagreed as to what it was, they were not even on the same page.   
      
   Disagree as to what was? How were they not on the same page?   
      
   >>   
   >> > > > > > That does little to support a fixed conclusion. Especially when   
   the   
   >> > > > > > Witches   
   >> > > > > > and warlocks describe what they saw and where they have been in   
   spite of   
   >> > > > > > never having been there physically, ever. And That is all in   
   respect to   
   >> > > > > > the   
   >> > > > > > realities of this world, which can be proven and verified by   
   anyone.   
   >> > > > >   
   >> > > > > You believe in witches and warlocks? Are you sure your religion   
   isn't   
   >> > > > > Walt Disney?   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > My religion? Sorry I have none other than that specified in the book   
   of   
   >> > > > James.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > You're part of a religion, regardless of your aversion to the word.   
   >> >   
   >> > No, I am part of the Body of Christ. The head of which is Jesus.   
   >>   
   >> Which is religion, despite your feeble attempts to separate yourself   
   >> from it, probably because you think that makes you look as objective   
   >> and "real" as the atheists you argue with.   
   >   
   >You have a poor understanding of what religion means.   
      
   Is it just organized religion you have a problem with, or all   
   "religion"?   
      
   >> > Being as you are only posting to argue and not even to appreciate the   
   >> > thoughts and understandings of other, then what point is there in   
   continuing   
   >> > on in this subject?   
   >>   
   >> I'd be happy to end the discussion right here. But that's up to you   
   >> whether we have to keep going.   
   >   
   >We do not have to do anything.   
      
   True.  I suggest you end the discussion here.   
      
   >>   
   >> > I understand your opposition, even though I do not know what caused you to   
   >> > turn away from Him. And at this point in your life that might be a very   
   >> > faint memory to you or a very sore one. I do not know.   
   >>   
      
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