XPost: alt.religion.christian   
   From: .robert@mu.way   
      
   On Oct 30, 2025, James wrote   
   (Message-ID:):   
      
   > On Mon, 27 Oct 2025 22:29:24 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way>  wrote:   
   >   
   > > On Oct 20, 2025, James wrote   
   > > (Message-ID:):   
   > >   
   > > > On Fri, 17 Oct 2025 19:57:55 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way>  wrote:   
   > > >   
   > > > > On Oct 17, 2025, James wrote   
   > > > > (Message-ID:):   
   > > > >   
   > > > > > Lake of Fire = torture on a scale unheard of.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Many people and churches believe the Lake of Fire is literal. People   
   > > > > > tossed into there are not allowed to die, and literally 'burn to life   
   > > > > > everlasting. Can you smell the burning flesh yet? What about the   
   > > > > > creator of it? If you believe Jesus is God, then Jesus created it.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > The Bible says our God is this:   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > -- King James   
   > > > > > 1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Now be honest. Have you ever met a person who is clothed in love, but   
   > > > > > also tortures people? Can real LOVE and TORTURE exist together in a   
   > > > > > sane person? They are complete opposites!!!   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > But torture and love does exist, though not together.   
   > > > > > God is love, and Satan tortures. To attribute God to also being a   
   > > > > > torturer, like the churches teach, is downright DEGRADING to God.   
   > > > > > God is being dragged through the mud, and accused of being like   
   Satan.   
   > > > > > It has to cut His heart in a large way. (Jer 7:31)   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > At least JW's try to clear God of such sadistic teachings. And they   
   do   
   > > > > > it world-wide. To those who listen, they REALLY find God to be a God   
   > > > > > of love, which He infinitely is.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Sincerely James   
   > > > >   
   > > > > “For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest   
   > > > > hell,   
   > > > > and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the   
   > > > > foundations of the mountains.” (Deu 32:22)   
   > > > >   
   > > > > “He maketh wars to cease unto the end of the earth; he breaketh the   
   bow,   
   > > > > and cutteth the spear in sunder; he burneth the chariot in the fire.”   
   > > > > (Psa   
   > > > > 46:9)   
   > > > >   
   > > > > “The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all   
   > > > > acquit   
   > > > > the wicked: the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm,   
   and   
   > > > > the   
   > > > > clouds are the dust of his feet. He rebuketh the sea, and maketh it   
   dry,   
   > > > > and   
   > > > > drieth up all the rivers: Bashan languisheth, and Carmel, and the   
   flower   
   > > > > of   
   > > > > Lebanon languisheth. The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt,   
   and   
   > > > > the   
   > > > > earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell   
   > > > > therein.   
   > > > > Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the   
   fierceness   
   > > > > of   
   > > > > his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown   
   down   
   > > > > by   
   > > > > him.” (Nam 1:3-6)   
   > > > >   
   > > > > “The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled   
   with   
   > > > > blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees   
   was   
   > > > > burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. And the second angel   
   sounded,   
   > > > > and   
   > > > > as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea:   
   and   
   > > > > the   
   > > > > third part of the sea became blood; And the third part of the creatures   
   > > > > which   
   > > > > were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships   
   were   
   > > > > destroyed. And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star   
   from   
   > > > > heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of   
   the   
   > > > > rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is   
   > > > > called   
   > > > > Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many   
   men   
   > > > > died   
   > > > > of the waters, because they were made bitter. And the fourth angel   
   > > > > sounded,   
   > > > > and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the   
   moon,   
   > > > > and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was   
   > > > > darkened,   
   > > > > and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.   
   And   
   > > > > I   
   > > > > beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying   
   > > > > with a   
   > > > > loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of   
   the   
   > > > > other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to   
   > > > > sound!”   
   > > > > (Rev 8:7-13)   
   > > > >   
   > > > > And this happens before this earth and the universe around it are burnt   
   > > > > up.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > There is far more to this in the scriptures. Why?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > To warn the humans of impending doom, death and eternal destruction and   
   > > > > torment. Why?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > So they can seek the Lord who will provide a way of escape.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > The evil one and his followers seek to poo poo this so as to entrap   
   them   
   > > > > into   
   > > > > the depths of Hell.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > There is a way that seems right to men, but the end thereof is the   
   ways of   
   > > > > death.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > You all are like the frog in a pot of water saying what’s the   
   problem,   
   > > > > as   
   > > > > the temp slowly increases and then dies in ignorance while others   
   feast on   
   > > > > its legs.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > You all heard the warnings, yet declare the waters fine.   
   > > >   
   > > > Ignoring some Scriptures and quoting others, won't settle any issue.   
   > > >   
   > > > First of all, I agree with any Scriptures you ever quote, since JW's   
   > > > go solely by the Bible. It's because of that, that we believe as we   
   > > > do.   
   > > >   
   > > > We also look at all translations, since most of them agree pretty much   
   > > > with our NWT Bible. I probably quote either the KJV Bible or the NKJV   
   > > > Bible more than others. That is, in truth, because it was the only two   
   > > > bibles the JW used for decades, then they tried to us a JW version of the   
   > > > NIV and if   
   > > forgot what they called that, and it was a flop, so they changed the name   
   > > and   
   > > more words into the NWT. All by people little more intelligent that   
   > > yourself,   
   > > but in the world of ligurists none of them were certified, nor qualified.   
   >   
   > That's funny, since a Bible translator of the American Translation,   
   > praised the NWT. If they were all with only kindergarten diplomas,   
   > they sure fooled him:   
   >   
   > “I am interested in the mission work of your people, and its world   
   > wide scope, and much pleased with the free, frank and vigorous   
   > translation. It exhibits a vast array of sound serious learning, as I   
      
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