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> > > > Look up the definition of ‘proessional'
> > >
> > > They earn a salary. How does that make them business executives?
> >
> > Am I to take that as you have never worked for, or been employed in a
> > business large of small for even one day in your life? Ever been a project
> > manager, dept head, or a CEO,CAO, CFO, or Pres, VP or anything equivalent
> > even remotely?
>
> I worked in retail for a number of years, but never reached the CEO
> level. But have you ever heard of a scientist being a CEO of a
> science department in a university? Stop trying to project
> non-scientific values onto scientists.
They are called amongst other job titles, directors. Chancellors, Vice
Chancellors,, department administrator, etc. With heads for the financial
aspects of it as well as project administrators for research studies that are
supported by big business’s as well as civil departments from city, county
and state or federal funding and it is all run very much like big business,
but sloppily due the nature of academics.
>
>
> > > > > > Having some knowledge of the professional scientists, and the
NDA’s
> > > > > > they
> > > > > > are forced to sign, and or disclose ongoing private research they
do as
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > hobby, and the business end of it, things are not what they seem,
and
> > > > > > when
> > > > > > you discover something, and it is found to have value associated
with
> > > > > > it,
> > > > > > your name on that paper, depending on your position with the
corporate
> > > > > > employer, may be only at the end of a list of Five more or less
names of
> > > > > > others. And even if you were the sole author of the project, and
> > > > > > director
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > those that were hired to assist you, the corporate chain of command
> > > > > > takes
> > > > > > precedence and you are a mere peon added to the list.
> > > > >
> > > > > Scientists may crave fame and success, but not the money that may
come
> > > > > with those under other circumstances.
> > > >
> > > > Some have a primary focus on their desires to learn and understand or
at
> > > > least start out that way, an then quickly learn that like most people
they
> > > > need to eat and have a decent place to dwell in.
> > >
> > > So now you're claiming that all people, even non-profits, are
> > > entrepreneurs!
> >
> > Some means all? Most NFP’s are entrepreneur's at the corporate lever are,
> > and many are con artists, etc.
>
> I'm sure there are some con-artists, but others just want to make the
> world a better place. Or are you projecting your own greed onto them?
LOL, greed? Me?
>
>
> > Even at the University level there are many empire builders as are
> > many educational levels.
>
> Any examples?
>
> > But that whole field is corrupted and the sincere educators are run over
and
> > taken advantage of.
>
> Any examples for that?
Yes to both As well as one I became involved with along with other people in
defense of a couple professors and their department and locale. Wherein the
jealousy and rivalry of those who were trying to take away their funding with
rancor and bitterness was very obvious in out discussions be before the
Chancellor. Their department generated more students and educated more and as
a result helped grow the environment which then allowed weaker departments to
survive. Yet they wanted to shut it down, even though it was more successful
than anything the naysayers were involved with and drew few students.
>
>
> > > > > > I have had too many friends that were burnt out because of it and
quit
> > > > > > their
> > > > > > fields entirely, and could not even do further work on their
personal
> > > > > > projects due to the forced agreements. Now some of my children and
> > > > > > grandchildren are in various fields and some of them cannot even
speak
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > me
> > > > > > in any degree about what they are doing. Which is not a bad thing,
lol,
> > > > > > since without it we can just be family and not get side tracked.
> > > > >
> > > > > What scientific fields are they in? When I was collaborating with my
> > > > > physics professors in undergraduate school and graduate school, I was
> > > > > never told we had an NDA and that I therefore couldn't talk about
what
> > > > > I was researching.
> > > >
> > > > They are employed in their profession, as were all my my friends. And
some
> > > > of my friends had their own companies and for legal reasons as well as
> > > > self
> > > > preservation had to require others to sign them. If you knew anything
> > > > about
> > > > business you would understand why. It is extremely difficult to design
and
> > > > NDA and word it is such a way as to allow freedom of expression that we
> > > > all
> > > > desire, and only limit it to specific arenas as their are many
ancillary
> > > > tracks or veins of thought that went into it or stem from it.
> > >
> > > Science is not a business operation, even if NDAs are used.
>
> > Then why do the have P&L statements?
>
> Because they use and need money, just like everyone else. That
> doesn't mean they're earning profit margins of 100% or such. If
> business is the art of making money, then that's just one more part of
> popular culture that academic scientists aren't interested in.
So in principle you are agreeing to the idea that they are not just there for
the fun of it, or the research joys. And like any other business money is
needed for operations.
>
>
> > > > Even in a scholarly environment were freedoms used to be the rule of
the
> > > > day,
> > > > things have changed. And many professors have side gigs related to
their
> > > > profession. And what better place to grab ideas, trains of thoughts
than
> > > > from
> > > > young people, and then take their ideas that have merit, build on them
and
> > > > thereby profit. There may be a very few who would tell the student of
the
> > > > possibilities of their idea or concept/s and assist them to develop
them
> > > > while they continue in their studies and not just halt their education
by
> > > > getting sidetracked.
> > >
> > > Do the words "rich young scientist" sound right to you? (Hint: they
> > > shouldn't, since scientists are not in it for the money).
> >
> > Avoid a search on the WWW at all costs. :)
> >
> > Also avoid a search for poor young scientists who are worried about funding
> > cuts and where the money is going to come from.
>
> I was referring to scientists in academia, not those in engineering
> pursuits.
I was too, as some of them left colleges and universities be cause of their
projects and big money. With their earnings even exceeding billions of
dollars.
In fact I have a granddaughter in chemistry field with a full load
scholarship at a major University who enjoys the learning of it, but also has
an eye on the future potentials with is normal for most people.
>
>
> > > > > > > > > > There used to be think tanks where someone with great
wealth would
> > > > > > > > > > fund research without limitations of directions, allowing
dream chasers
> > > > > > > > > > to run freely, uninhibited. Whether they were seemingly
successful or not.
> > > > > > > > > > I don’t now it that exists anymore.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > No, science is better than think tanks.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Then you have limited knowledge in regards to think tanks. I
was
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