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   > > > > > > Oh brother......   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > What do you mean by that?   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > While it sounded unreasonable to you, and you recognized that,   
   it was   
   > > > > > > > > still   
   > > > > > > > > their reasoning and thinking, and the cause for them to excuse   
   away   
   > > > > > > > > something that did not support their agendized thinking and   
   arguments.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > Are you claiming that you have no agenda?   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Yes.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > So you're not here in alt.atheism to win souls for Christ?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Nope, I just posted this thread there for you all to see the   
   > > > > possibilities.   
   > > >   
   > > > And what did you think would happen when the "possibilities" were   
   > > > "seen"?   
   > >   
   > > Some would see it, others wouldn’t and those who did could start off in   
   > > their own research once they saw the possibilites.   
   >   
   > So your agenda is to effect just that exact outcome.   
      
   Nope.   
      
   Sorry you think that this is all some sort of competition.   
      
   In the end, there is a heaven and a hell. There is a God and there is an Evil   
   one.   
   That reality is not of my making. However the reality of it you will see.   
      
   I just pray that you would be counted worthy   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > Some plant, some water, but it is God that gives the increase.   
   > > >   
   > > > Could that planting and watering be the proselytizing you deny you're   
   > > > attempting here in alt.atheism?   
   > >   
   > > Seed only takes root on fallowed ground. Watering one helps the roots grow   
   > > strong. Only God gives the increase. Not my responsibility. So far, I have   
   > > seen little to no evidence of any seed taking root. There is much thorny   
   > > weeds here that would seek to destroy and chock off seeds thing root.   
   >   
   > Along similar lines, I guess we don't need missionaries, since "only   
   > God gives the increase".   
      
   Someone has to sow the seed. And others water. Only God can save them.   
   >   
   >   
   > > So just why are you proselytizing in alt.bible?   
   >   
   > I'm discussing your ideas, not proselytizing. And I'm posting in   
   > alt.bible because you entered that newsgroup in your initial post. I   
   > seen no reason to remove it.   
      
   You moved far afield from the subject matter. And I am just discussing your   
   ideas.   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *he sometimes refers to a time when he was dead   
   and   
   > > > > > > > > > sometimes refers   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to a situation where he was teetering between   
   life and death;   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it?   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both. His OOBE and the realities of being in a   
   spiritual state   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assumed he was back on earth as he saw things   
   clearly. Had he   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his body he would have felt the consciousness that   
   his body was   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paul, the Apostle, could not tell when he visited   
   heaven whether   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the body or out of it. He had been stoned to death   
   at least   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > once,   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as I   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recalled he was killed something like three   
   different times.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > But these days he says he *was* dead, not that he   
   was at that   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > time   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe dead, from his perspective.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > Not sure as to whom you are speaking of here.   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > What is the name of this thread? Is it "I died and was   
   teetering on   
   > > > > > > > > > > > the edge of death for 18 years"? Or is it *I died*...   
   and went to   
   > > > > > > > > > > > heaven for 18 days"   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > The latter, of course, but the Apostle Paul was just   
   mentioned and   
   > > > > > > > > > > His   
   > > > > > > > > > > trip   
   > > > > > > > > > > to heaven so I could not tell to whom you were referring.   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > If it was the latter, why does Gabe describe his condition   
   being   
   > > > > > > > > > teetering between life and death, rather than just death?   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > From what I gathered those things happened on and off during   
   various   
   > > > > > > > > days   
   > > > > > > > > in   
   > > > > > > > > the midst of the 18 days.   
   > > > > > > > > His book coming out should cover a whole lot more detail, and   
   I plan   
   > > > > > > > > on   
   > > > > > > > > buying it to see what all was written.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > What do you think about his association with Kenneth Copeland?   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > What association?   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > He's involved in the scam of the prosperity gospel   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Like I said, he died years ago.   
   > > > > Scams are done by fraudsters, false prophets, etc.   
   > > > > And hucksters are more gullible that those they defraud.   
   > > >   
   > > > What about wealthy televangelists? Is it God, in your opinion, that   
   > > > makes them rich? Or is it all a scam?   
   > >   
   > > Some are and some aren’t. God is weeding out the garden.   
   >   
   > Are you suggesting that there are less televangelists now than there   
   > used to be (since, in your view, some have been "weeded out")?   
      
   How do you arrive at that conclusion?   
      
   >   
   >   
   > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > Obviously the yung man said he was dead, with rigor   
   mortise at the   
   > > > > > > > > > > fore,   
   > > > > > > > > > > and at the end he was to be or about to be, put into a   
   body bag.   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > What about post-mortem decay, as mentioned by some other   
   poster?   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > What about it, they did not view the video, you did, you also   
   heard   
   > > > > > > > > that   
   > > > > > > > > they   
   > > > > > > > > put him on life support systems, which is typically done on   
   the dead   
   > > > > > > > > in   
   > > > > > > > > order   
   > > > > > > > > to preserve short term viability in order to harvest organs   
   from those   
   > > > > > > > > that   
   > > > > > > > > are organ donors.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > They had to wait 18 days after he died to harvest his organs?   
   Was he   
   > > > > > > > even an organ donor to begin with?   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > I never said that, I just explained that the same process was used   
   to   
   > > > > > > keep   
   > > > > > > him ’alive’ as for them, I gathered that his family was hoping   
   that   
   > > > > > > he   
   > > > > > > would recover naturally as others have. After all they gave him   
   meds to   
   > > > > > > assure that he would be put into a comatose state which helps many   
   to   
   > > > > > > recover from brain injuries.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > A comatose state is not death.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Who said it was?   
   > > >   
   > > > Anyone who claims Gabe Poirot was dead for 18 days.   
   > >   
   > > You are not a Doctor, you know not what is clinically dead.   
   >   
   > I don't have to be to know that some people claim he was dead.   
      
   Yet is is a point that you make, even when the doctor said he was,   
   >   
   >   
   > > Luk 16:27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest   
   > > send him to my father's house:   
   > >   
   > > Luk 16:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest   
   they   
      
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