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   > > also come into this place of torment.   
   > >   
   > > Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let   
   them   
   > > hear them.   
   > >   
   > > Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from   
   > > the dead, they will repent.   
   > >   
   > > Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets,   
   > > neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.   
   >   
   > A silly little story.   
   >   
   > > > > > > > > That is the problem with agendized dismissive arguments, they   
   toss out   
   > > > > > > > > all   
   > > > > > > > > forms of reality to focus on something that fits their   
   narrative and   
   > > > > > > > > thereby project false conclusions.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > Well, you're definitely not a purveyor of "reality."   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Same thing was said to the Wright brothers. And Issac Newton. And   
   some   
   > > > > > > in   
   > > > > > > regards to the Heavenly Father. And had you given my statement some   
   > > > > > > thought   
   > > > > > > you might see the truth in it.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > No, Isaac Newton was not ridiculed. "I know the lion by his claw," as   
   > > > > > one mathematician/physicist remarked respectfully about one of   
   > > > > > Newton's solutions to a problem. The Wright brothers were laughed at,   
   > > > > > but so was Bozo the Clown (i.e., in this situation, the adage means   
   > > > > > don't be so happy that you've been ridiculed).   
   > > > >   
   > > > > As I said, had you been looking for truth, and you weren’t. You were   
   > > > > looking for possible points of arguments.   
   > > >   
   > > > I already know enough about "truth" on this; I don't need your help to   
   > > > find it in your ridiculous ideas.   
   > > >   
   > > > > > > Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and   
   between   
   > > > > > > thy   
   > > > > > > seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise   
   his   
   > > > > > > heel.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Notice “her seed” a specific reference to Jesus of the seed of   
   Mary.   
   > > > > > > Not   
   > > > > > > man and Mary but of God and Mary.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > No, it's talking about mankind's long battle with snakes, not Mary   
   the   
   > > > > > mother of Jesus. If it were, referring to Mary by name would be quite   
   > > > > > a feather in the Bible's cap, but of course it never was.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > The bible is not an entity.   
   > > >   
   > > > It's a collection of books believed to be inspired by many Christians.   
   > > > How is that not "an entity"?   
   > > >   
   > > > > > > (Messiah to be the seed of the woman). The servants of Christ are   
   > > > > > > members   
   > > > > > > of   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > that body of which Christ is the head, and therefore are included   
   in   
   > > > > > > this   
   > > > > > > seed.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > No, the quaint fairy tale in the first part of Genesis has nothing   
   > > > > > whatsoever to do with the Messiah.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Knee jerk reaction. ;)   
   > > >   
   > > > No, that comes from careful study of the tale from a critical   
   > > > perspective.   
   > > >   
   > > > > > > 1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > No, be ye annoying, as he is annoying.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > > 1Pe 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of   
   persons   
   > > > > > > judgeth   
   > > > > > > according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning   
   here in   
   > > > > > > fear:   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > You still have to refer to our prayers being "in Jesus' name,"   
   > > > > > apparently because you're so fearful of the Father's wrath that you   
   > > > > > have to mention that Jesus is with you when you talk to the Father.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > I don’t have to do anything. I do not live in fear of the wrath of   
   the   
   > > > > Heavenly Father. There is a reason of promise as to why one prays in   
   his   
   > > > > name. But you know it not.   
   > > >   
   > > > What reason is that?   
   > >   
   > > I hold the surety that was promised.   
   >   
   > And you don't think the alleged Father knows about that?   
      
   He is the one that gives it.   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > > > 1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with   
   corruptible   
   > > > > > > things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by   
   > > > > > > tradition from your fathers;   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > 1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb   
   without   
   > > > > > > blemish and without spot:   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > A depiction of a bloodthirsty deity.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > > ***********************   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > 1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the   
   world,   
   > > > > > > but was manifest in these last times for you,   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > LOL! He thought he was living in the last times!   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > > ***********************   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > 1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the   
   dead,   
   > > > > > > and   
   > > > > > > gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > What is the point of those quotations?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Can’t keep up with the convo? You were so busy with your intent of   
   > > > > picking   
   > > > > things apart that you never grasped the thought of the context. It   
   > > > > answered   
   > > > > a comment you made in a questioning form.   
   > > >   
   > > > No, you posted a bunch of non sequiturs for reasons, at present, that   
   > > > only you know of.   
   > >   
   > > Can’t maintain a train of thought? Or failed in philosophy?   
   >   
   > Why do you say that? And philosophy would be a good thing to fail at,   
   > if you had to choose.   
   >   
   > > > > > > There is the proof that he knew ahead of time what would happen.   
   > > > > > > Understood   
   > > > > > > what might happen, and could happen and provided a way of escape   
   from   
   > > > > > > the   
   > > > > > > very beginning. And like satan who desired to be God, and be   
   bigger and   
   > > > > > > badder than God, would by their life choices would be made   
   manifest and   
   > > > > > > go   
   > > > > > > to dwell with Satan, their leader/ comrade in arms. Birds of a   
   feather   
   > > > > > > and all that.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > This character Satan should have long since been killed.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > So has God ever told you what the temperature is outside?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Was there ever a need for that?   
   > > >   
   > > > Yes. It can tell you how to dress for the weather.   
   > > >   
   > > > > > > Jhn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will   
   guide   
   > > > > > > you   
   > > > > > > into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever   
   he   
   > > > > > > shall   
   > > > > > > hear, that’s hall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > What was God supposedly waiting on to provide this Spirit of truth? I   
   > > > > > mean it's not as if the book of John was written the day Jesus   
   > > > > > supposedly left the earth.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > While I know you are incapable of understanding, it was always   
   available   
   > > > > to   
   > > > > the prophets of God. But was made possible to all who were redeemed by   
   > > > > Jesus.   
   > > >   
   > > > Why would it need to be "redeemed by Jesus"?   
   > >   
   > > If you actually read your bible and know more than most all christians,   
   then   
   > > you would have known what was said about it.   
   > > >   
   > > > You mean you imagined that he was by your side, and attributed your   
   > > > own problem-solving skills to Jesus -- and an unasked question was   
   > > > just something in your subconscious, the same level of consciousness   
   > > > which you used to solve the problem in step-by-step fashion. No Jesus   
   > > > was involved.   
   > >   
   > > You were not there, and you do not know. You have no reason to know and you   
   > > care not to know.   
   >   
      
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