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   > > > > examples,   
   > > > > at the time of Christ.   
   > > >   
   > > > How do you know Samson wasn't righteous? Were you aware that, in that   
   > > > folk tale, Samson prays to God to give him his strength back just long   
   > > > enough to kill many Philistines (the traditional enemies of the   
   > > > Israelites who had captured him)?   
   > >   
   > > God answered his prayer, and after that he went to paradise;   
   >   
   > You have yet to explain why you think Samson was being tortured.   
      
   Your lack of knowledge regarding the things of the bible is less than mine,   
   even though you claim you have superior knowledge.   
   >   
   >   
   > > Where is your proof from the history books of that civilizations that prove   
   > > it is false?   
   >   
   > The story of Samson is self-evidently false (i.e., a fairy tale)   
   > because, newsflash, people don't become superhuman in strength because   
   > of their hair style.   
      
   That shows you did not understand what you either read or heard.   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > Cruelty is in the eyes of the beholder. It is a poor excuse in an even   
   > > > > poorer   
   > > > > reason to attempt to justify why you do not belong there. You have a   
   > > > > lesser   
   > > > > example of that from men who are sent to prison for long terms   
   especially   
   > > > > to   
   > > > > keep from being on a chain gang, or dwelling in tents in the hot desert   
   > > > > lands.   
   > > >   
   > > > No, cruelty is not in the eye of the beholder. It's real and should   
   > > > be recognized easily by anyone with barest moral compass.   
   > >   
   > > You don’t know much about RL do you. Case in point the Hamas slaughter on   
   > > 10/7, they were rejoicing and proud of what they did, even calling their   
   > > parents to brag on it. Getting cheers when they returned with the hostages   
   > > and footage of their slaughter and torturing. And they all felt morally   
   > > justified in doing that they did. They also were supported by some here in   
   > > the USA and around the world. Look at the slaughter currently going on in   
   > > Nigeria by similar people.   
   >   
   > Some people rejoice in cruelty, but that doesn't make it any less   
   > cruel.   
      
   As you said, cruelty is in the eye of the beholder.   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > > > > > God has all the answers, and he can answer you to your needs   
   in such a   
   > > > > > > > > way as you can be satisfied..   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > But he's hiding them for some reason, right?   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > You have not because you ask not.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Others have asked, and they haven't pulled God out of his shell, so   
   to   
   > > > > > speak.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Were they believers and in His family? If they were did they ask amiss?   
   > > > > IF they were non believers, or doubters, then they were not asking in   
   > > > > faith   
   > > > > believing.   
   > > >   
   > > > Yes, many people pray for good things but don't get them primarily   
   > > > because God doesn't exist, not because they didn't "have enough   
   > > > faith".   
   > >   
   > > If they are not believers then? Why does the bible speak about not hearing   
   > > the prayers of the wicked?   
   >   
   > No, the prayers are not heard because, like I say, God does not exist,   
   > not because people are "too wicked" to be heard by God.   
      
   Proof?   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > Without relying on the myths and legends of the Bible, tell us   
   about   
   > > > > > > > these people around Israel that knew of their supposed miracles.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > 2Ki 5:1 Now Naaman, captain of the host of the king of Syria, was a   
   > > > > > > great   
   > > > > > > man   
   > > > > > > with his master, and honourable, because by him the LORD had given   
   > > > > > > deliverance unto Syria: he was also a mighty man in valour, but he   
   was a   
   > > > > > > leper.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > 2Ki 5:2 And the Syrians had gone out by companies, and had brought   
   away   
   > > > > > > captive out of the land of Israel a little maid; and she waited on   
   > > > > > > Naaman's   
   > > > > > > wife.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > 2Ki 5:3 And she said unto her mistress, Would God my lordwere with   
   the   
   > > > > > > prophet that is in Samaria! for he would recover him of his   
   leprosy.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > 2Ki 5:4 And one went in, and told his lord, saying, Thus and thus   
   said   
   > > > > > > the   
   > > > > > > maid thatis of the land of Israel.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > 2Ki 5:5 And the king of Syria said, Go to, go, and I will send a   
   letter   
   > > > > > > unto   
   > > > > > > the king of Israel. And he departed, and took with him ten talents   
   of   
   > > > > > > silver,   
   > > > > > > and six thousand pieces of gold, and ten changes of raiment.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > 2Ki 5:6 And he brought the letter to the king of Israel, saying,   
   Now   
   > > > > > > when   
   > > > > > > this letter is come unto thee, behold, I have therewith sent   
   Naaman my   
   > > > > > > servant to thee, that thou mayest recover him of his leprosy.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Didn't you read what I said? Remember, *without relying on the myths   
   > > > > > and legends of the Bible.*   
   > > > >   
   > > > > There are no myths there no legends either.   
   > > > > In RL there are legends based on facts as well as embellished thinking.   
   > > >   
   > > > Right. That's where the stories came from, not because other nations   
   > > > in ancient times had heard about miracles in Israel.   
   > >   
   > > Nope. And you have nothing that verifies that train of thought.   
   >   
   > I see you're having trouble with a train of thought with this. The   
   > point was no miracles occurred in ancient Israel, since none of the   
   > other nations of time mention it.   
      
   Disappointing that you did not read the scriptures and the letter from the   
   King of Syris to the King of. Israel discounts your point that he had no   
   knowledge of this.   
   >   
   >   
   > > > > > > 3Jn 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper   
   and be   
   > > > > > > in health, even as thy soul prospereth.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Part of the problem is that you are apparently a subscriber to the   
   > > > > > prosperity gospel claims yourself. Remember that the love of money   
   > > > > > is the root of all evil, though (see 1 Timothy 6:10)   
   > > > >   
   > > > > And that is the reason why people fall prey to false teachers, who are   
   > > > > also   
   > > > > dwelling under the love of money. Give for the sole purpose of getting.   
   > > > > That   
   > > > > is not Godly. Nor is it of God. Money has become a god to those people.   
   > > > > Not   
   > > > > that you would understand.   
   > > >   
   > > > Do you think televangelists suffer from those problems?   
   > >   
   > > Some from their beginnings, some others because they fell away by   
   > > temptations   
   > > and other things.   
   > > That happened to Jimmy Swaggart, and he fell hard, and paid the price for   
   > > it.   
   > > Yet he truly repented. And died in faith believing. He was even able to   
   lead   
   > > his cousin to the Lord near the end of life, while they both had life.   
   Jerry   
   > > Lee Lewis who wanted nothing to do with God for most all of his life.   
   >   
   > No, after his "I have sinned" speech, he went *back* to prostitution.   
   >   
   > > > > God blesses his own.   
   > > > > I could tell you stories about God blessing me, in RL, and how I   
   learned   
   > > > > about such things. But it would be of no help to you as you are not of   
   a   
   > > > > mind to understand and learn.   
   > > >   
   > > > True, I don't regard you as my teacher. It's probably best if you   
   > > > keep the stories to yourself, since I would guess that they're not   
   > > > very convincing anyway.   
   > >   
   > > I know I am not your teacher, and I surely would not want to be known as   
   > > that. It is for sure that no one would consider me to be one for you   
   anyhow.   
   >   
   > Of course.   
   >   
   > > >   
   > > > > > > Oral passed away long ago.   
   > > > > >   
      
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