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   > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_Roberts   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > "Even though Roberts was often associated with the prosperity gospel   
   > > > > > and the faith movement because of his close doctrinal and personal   
   > > > > > ties with Word-Faith teachers, his abundant life teachings did not   
   > > > > > fully identify him with that movement.[37]"   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Yet you place him fully there. I am a bit surprised that there was a   
   > > > > modicum   
   > > > > of truth there, being that it was WIKI.   
   > > >   
   > > > I didn't say he fully was, only that he was into it, at whatever   
   > > > level.   
   > >   
   > > There is a lot of misunderstanding about what a word of Faith teacher is,   
   > > and   
   > > what it isn’t and I know some very bitter ‘christians’ who are into   
   > > hatred of things they know not of worse that the typical atheist.   
   >   
   > Such as?   
   >   
   > > But anyone who is into false prosperity Gospel will pay the price. When a   
   > > persons focus is on money either the gain of it or the rejection of it,   
   > > their   
   > > minds and hearts are not towards the Almighty God. Money controls their   
   > > life,   
   > > either way.   
   >   
   > No, there's nothing wrong with focusing on money, as long as you don't   
   > take it to extremes.   
   >   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > But the best is soon to come and is already on its way.   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > Why isn't it here now?   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > It is, and it is picking up world wide. Even mentioned in part   
   by that   
   > > > > > > > > young   
   > > > > > > > > man.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > How long has it been "picking up world wide"?   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > A few months.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > So how soon do you anticipate the return of Christ, based on "a few   
   > > > > > months" mentioned here?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > I could not say anything definitive, and neither can Christ. But when   
   you   
   > > > > see the city of Damascus destroyed over night then note it will be   
   > > > > extremely   
   > > > > soon.   
   > > >   
   > > > And if years pass by without the destruction of Damascus, what then?   
   > >   
   > > Then it means it is not yet the time. God is not willing that any perish.   
   > > But   
   > > that they would see Him.   
   > > He knows the status of the hearts of all men, individually.   
   >   
   > So you don't know whether events from the last few months are really   
   > and indicator of the end times we're supposedly living in.   
   >   
   > > > > > > > > Both of them were in Arkansas, although Duane has since moved   
   to   
   > > > > > > > > Texas,   
   > > > > > > > > and his son has taken over in Arkansas.   
   > > > > > > > > Search them to find the reports. The other families I don’t   
   know if   
   > > > > > > > > they   
   > > > > > > > > made it public. And so I would not want to create issues for   
   them   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > That doesn't tell me the when, where, and why of these NDEs.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Why settle for hearsay when you can hear what they say about it?   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Which is what?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > I just told you what to look for so you can hear it for yourself. If   
   you   
   > > > > are   
   > > > > not motived to look for it, then obviously you are not interested.   
   > > >   
   > > > I looked for it and found just a slick website by someone who claimed   
   > > > to be an evangelist. Nothing about NDEs was involved.   
   > >   
   > > Right, and that is what he is. He has many videos, on his sight, you would   
   > > have to do a search to find the video/videos. Duanes was several years ago,   
   > > and they are also on Your tube so a You tube search should bring it up. I   
   > > don’t know that he stated it was an NDE but that he died, He didn’t Mae   
   > > a   
   > > big deal about it, but just talked about it He is not the tv type person,   
   he   
   > > came from a background family of moonshiners, He wa going to be a tennis   
   > > start in college as he was that good at it, then he met the Lord and gave   
   it   
   > > up and went tp a bible college. He is an excellent bible teacher and. There   
   > > is nothing bad to say about him as a person.   
   >   
   > Why don't you do those searches, since you brought this guy up.   
   >   
   > > > > > > > > You didn’t read it very well. "and this strongly suggests   
   that the   
   > > > > > > > > OBE   
   > > > > > > > > is   
   > > > > > > > > caused by "temporary, minor   
   > > > > > > > > brain malfunctions, not by the person's spirit actually   
   leaving the   
   > > > > > > > > body.”   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > I did read it very well, and in fact I support their   
   conclusions. What   
   > > > > > > > are you talking about?   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > They did not state that it was a fact, just "strongly suggests”   
   other   
   > > > > > > scientists “suspect”/\.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Going with what they strongly suggest would seem to be the wisest   
   > > > > > course of action.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Really? So you put faith in the unsubstantiated words of men? Even when   
   > > > > they   
   > > > > disagree on it as point out in the article?   
   > > >   
   > > > What makes you thin they're unsubstantiated? They've done the   
   > > > research, so they should know.   
   > >   
   > > Yet they disagreed as to what it was, they were not even on the same page.   
   >   
   > Disagree as to what was? How were they not on the same page?   
   >   
   > > >   
   > > > > > > > > That does little to support a fixed conclusion. Especially   
   when the   
   > > > > > > > > Witches   
   > > > > > > > > and warlocks describe what they saw and where they have been   
   in spite   
   > > > > > > > > of   
   > > > > > > > > never having been there physically, ever. And That is all in   
   respect   
   > > > > > > > > to   
   > > > > > > > > the   
   > > > > > > > > realities of this world, which can be proven and verified by   
   anyone.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > You believe in witches and warlocks? Are you sure your religion   
   isn't   
   > > > > > > > Walt Disney?   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > My religion? Sorry I have none other than that specified in the   
   book of   
   > > > > > > James.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > You're part of a religion, regardless of your aversion to the word.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > No, I am part of the Body of Christ. The head of which is Jesus.   
   > > >   
   > > > Which is religion, despite your feeble attempts to separate yourself   
   > > > from it, probably because you think that makes you look as objective   
   > > > and "real" as the atheists you argue with.   
   > >   
   > > You have a poor understanding of what religion means.   
   >   
   > Is it just organized religion you have a problem with, or all   
   > "religion"?   
   >   
   > > > > Being as you are only posting to argue and not even to appreciate the   
   > > > > thoughts and understandings of other, then what point is there in   
   > > > > continuing   
   > > > > on in this subject?   
   > > >   
   > > > I'd be happy to end the discussion right here. But that's up to you   
   > > > whether we have to keep going.   
   > >   
   > > We do not have to do anything.   
   >   
   > True. I suggest you end the discussion here.   
   >   
   > > >   
   > > > > I understand your opposition, even though I do not know what caused   
   you to   
   > > > > turn away from Him. And at this point in your life that might be a very   
   > > > > faint memory to you or a very sore one. I do not know.   
   > > >   
   > > > It's not a sore one, and it is a vivid one. I am not "mad at God" and   
   > > > I remember my childhood well.   
   > >   
   > > Then when and what prompted the change”   
   >   
   > When was 17 years old, I decided I created a logical proof that God   
   > could make us free from suffering and still give us freedom of choice.   
   > It was quite primitive, but addresses the same question (origin of   
   > suffering) that I refer to today.   
   >   
   > > > > You do have the ability to think and exercise that occasionally and I   
      
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