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|    James to usenet@christrose.news    |
|    Re: "Jehovah's Witnesses" false teaching    |
|    01 Nov 25 11:06:47    |
      [continued from previous message]              man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of       Christ is God.              > The Jews sought       >to stone Him “because He…was even calling God His own Father, making       >Himself equal with God” (John 5:18, ESV).              If you call to your father, does that make you equal with him? As we       just saw in 1 Cor 11:3, God is greater than Jesus. The Scribes and       Pharisees were not good witnesses of all Bible truths.              >Thomas worshiped Him, saying,       >“My Lord and my God!” (John 20:28, ESV).              That was given an exclamation mark. It is an act of surprise like       "Holy Moly!", or "O my God!" "Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!", etc.              >Colossians 2:9 declares, “In       >Him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily.              Yes, Jesus is a deity, just not the Almighty Deity.              ” The term “head” in 1       >Corinthians 11:3 refers to role, not essence; Christ’s subordination to       >the Father concerns function, not nature.              You are dancing Chubby Checker twist again. Why no mention of the Holy       Spirit here? Also 1 Cor 11:3 shows God's structure:              God       Jesus       man       woman              >       >5. *The resurrection*       >       >Jesus said, “See My hands and My feet…touch Me, and see. For a spirit       >does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have” (Luke 24:39, ESV).              are invisible to humans and are not made up of flesh and bones, etc.       Thus Jesus materialized a human body in order to be seen. But until       Jesus gave some clue who he was, he was not recognized in those       bodies. Why? Because Jesus gave up the human body he had when on earth       for the ransom. To use that body after his resurrection would       certainly make people recognize him, but would have nullified the       ransom provision, by taking it back. Thus he used other bodies. (Lu       24:15, 16, 30, 31, 36-45; Mt 28:16-18)              Peter very plainly tells us that Jesus was resurrected as a spirit       person. 1 Pe 3:18,              " Why, even Christ died once for all time concerning sins, a righteous       [person] for unrighteous ones, that he might lead YOU to God, he being       put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit."              Jesus, having been resurrected as a spirit (1Pe 3:18), could       materialize a body for the occasion as the angels did in past times,       when they appeared as messengers. (Ge 18:2; 19:1, 12; Jos 5:13, 14; Jg       13:3, 6; Heb 13:2)              >His glorified body was the same body transformed, not replaced.              Then why did Mary Magdalene when she saw him, thought he was the       GARDENER???              >The tomb       >was empty because He rose bodily. Paul’s whole argument in 1 Corinthians       >15 depends on that fact.              Actually, God disposed of that body so people would not try to worship       it, like the Israelites tended to do. Besides, Jesus gave that body       and life to God as the ransom.              >       >6. *False prophecy*       >       >Deuteronomy 18:22 states that if a prediction fails, it was not from       >God. The Watchtower’s failed dates—1914, 1925, 1975—mark it as a false       >prophet. God’s truth never “upgrades” by correction; His word is perfect       >from the start (Psalm 19:7).              True, God's words never 'upgrade'. It is only people who interpret       them wrong. And true Christianity slowly 'upgrades' until they have it       all correct. Notice:              King James       Proverbs 4:18 But the path of the just is as the shining light, that       shineth more and more unto the perfect day.              Also, I can't speak for 1914 or 1925, but I was around in 1976, and NO       LITERATURE WHATSOEVER said the end was coming then.              Since you are making serious accusations here, I think it would only       be reasonable to ask you to prove your assertions. Show me something I       can look up and verify in the JW literature about 1976. I have a       library going back very far also.              >       >7. *Authority and access to God*       >       >God indeed appoints elders, but nowhere authorizes a governing body       >claiming infallible interpretation.              Infallible? Nothing on earth is infallible. God's word is as close as       it gets. Neither your religion or mine is infallible.                     > True believers have direct access to       >the Father through Christ (Hebrews 10:19–22). Salvation rests not in       >organization but in the person of Jesus Christ.              True. As John 14:6 says:              King James       John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the       life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.              But you are forgetting one thing. Jesus' words at Mt 24:45-47:              "5. "Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made       ruler over his household, to give them food in due season?        46. "Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will       find so doing.        47. "Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all       his goods. (NKJV)              So there is a faithful and wise servant. And Jesus will appoint him       over all his goods. In our organization it is called the "Faithful and       discrete slave class". Who is yours?              >       >8. *The name above every name*       >       >Philippians 2:9–11 says God exalted Jesus and gave Him “the name that is       >above every name,” so that “every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is       >Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” Honoring Christ as Lord *is* the       >way we glorify the Father.              Which is what JW's do.              >       >In summary, the Watchtower denies every cornerstone of the       >gospel—Christ’s full deity,              Deny? Look for yourself:              If Satan is called "a god" (2 Cor 4:4) in the Scriptures, how much       more so would Jesus be.              >His bodily resurrection,              - American Standard       1 Peter 3:18 Because Christ also suffered for sins once, the       righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God; being       put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;              And              -- American Standard       1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of       godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the       spirit, Seen of angels, Preached among the nations, Believed on in the       world, Received up in glory.              Yes God gave Jesus a spirit body when he resurrected him.               conscious life       >after death,               King James       Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the       dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the       memory of them is forgotten.              -- King James       Ecclesiastes 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy       might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in       the grave, whither thou goest.              - King James       Psalms 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in       that very day his thoughts perish.              >and the eternal nature of judgment. These denials do not       >come from Scripture but from the very human reasoning and pagan ideas       >they accuse others of following. The Bible proclaims one Lord, Jesus       >Christ, fully God              Other than an error in translation at John 1:1, the Bible nowhere says       that.                     >and fully man, who died for our sins and rose again.       >Those who believe in Him receive eternal life; those who reject Him face       >everlasting punishment in [Gehenna], where “the smoke of their torment       >goes up forever and ever” (Revelation 14:11, ESV).              Remember Revelation is a book of symbols. In order for literal smoke       to go up forever, that space would have to be infinite.              And Ec 9:5,10 and Psalms 146:4 tell us the dead are not conscious, but       as Jesus said are "asleep". (John11:11)              "Is Halloween Really for Christians?       What does the Bible say?       Find Out". See jw.org (10/31/2025)              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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