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>> > > So now you're claiming that all people, even non-profits, are
>> > > entrepreneurs!
>> >
>> > Some means all? Most NFP’s are entrepreneur's at the corporate lever are,
>> > and many are con artists, etc.
>>
>> I'm sure there are some con-artists, but others just want to make the
>> world a better place. Or are you projecting your own greed onto them?
>
>LOL, greed? Me?
Or stupidity. You seem to think money is everything to everyone,
which isn't true.
>> > Even at the University level there are many empire builders as are
>> > many educational levels.
>>
>> Any examples?
>>
>> > But that whole field is corrupted and the sincere educators are run over
and
>> > taken advantage of.
>>
>> Any examples for that?
>
>Yes to both As well as one I became involved with along with other people in
>defense of a couple professors and their department and locale. Wherein the
>jealousy and rivalry of those who were trying to take away their funding with
>rancor and bitterness was very obvious in out discussions be before the
>Chancellor. Their department generated more students and educated more and as
>a result helped grow the environment which then allowed weaker departments to
>survive. Yet they wanted to shut it down, even though it was more successful
>than anything the naysayers were involved with and drew few students.
So if the weaker ones were allowed to survive, how were they being run
over?
>> > > > > > I have had too many friends that were burnt out because of it and
quit
>> > > > > > their
>> > > > > > fields entirely, and could not even do further work on their
personal
>> > > > > > projects due to the forced agreements. Now some of my children and
>> > > > > > grandchildren are in various fields and some of them cannot even
speak
>> > > > > > to
>> > > > > > me
>> > > > > > in any degree about what they are doing. Which is not a bad
thing, lol,
>> > > > > > since without it we can just be family and not get side tracked.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > What scientific fields are they in? When I was collaborating with my
>> > > > > physics professors in undergraduate school and graduate school, I
was
>> > > > > never told we had an NDA and that I therefore couldn't talk about
what
>> > > > > I was researching.
>> > > >
>> > > > They are employed in their profession, as were all my my friends. And
some
>> > > > of my friends had their own companies and for legal reasons as well as
>> > > > self
>> > > > preservation had to require others to sign them. If you knew anything
>> > > > about
>> > > > business you would understand why. It is extremely difficult to
design and
>> > > > NDA and word it is such a way as to allow freedom of expression that
we
>> > > > all
>> > > > desire, and only limit it to specific arenas as their are many
ancillary
>> > > > tracks or veins of thought that went into it or stem from it.
>> > >
>> > > Science is not a business operation, even if NDAs are used.
>>
>> > Then why do the have P&L statements?
>>
>> Because they use and need money, just like everyone else. That
>> doesn't mean they're earning profit margins of 100% or such. If
>> business is the art of making money, then that's just one more part of
>> popular culture that academic scientists aren't interested in.
>
>So in principle you are agreeing to the idea that they are not just there for
>the fun of it, or the research joys. And like any other business money is
>needed for operations.
No, I don't agree with that, in principle or otherwise.
>> > > > Even in a scholarly environment were freedoms used to be the rule of
the
>> > > > day,
>> > > > things have changed. And many professors have side gigs related to
their
>> > > > profession. And what better place to grab ideas, trains of thoughts
than
>> > > > from
>> > > > young people, and then take their ideas that have merit, build on
them and
>> > > > thereby profit. There may be a very few who would tell the student of
the
>> > > > possibilities of their idea or concept/s and assist them to develop
them
>> > > > while they continue in their studies and not just halt their
education by
>> > > > getting sidetracked.
>> > >
>> > > Do the words "rich young scientist" sound right to you? (Hint: they
>> > > shouldn't, since scientists are not in it for the money).
>> >
>> > Avoid a search on the WWW at all costs. :)
>> >
>> > Also avoid a search for poor young scientists who are worried about
funding
>> > cuts and where the money is going to come from.
>>
>> I was referring to scientists in academia, not those in engineering
>> pursuits.
>
>I was too, as some of them left colleges and universities be cause of their
>projects and big money. With their earnings even exceeding billions of
>dollars.
Right, but they would have to leave academia to do that.
>In fact I have a granddaughter in chemistry field with a full load
>scholarship at a major University who enjoys the learning of it, but also has
>an eye on the future potentials with is normal for most people.
Like becoming a biotech pharmacist? That's not a job for everyone,
even if it is very lucrative.
>> > > > > > > > > > There used to be think tanks where someone with great
wealth would
>> > > > > > > > > > fund research without limitations of directions, allowing
dream chasers
>> > > > > > > > > > to run freely, uninhibited. Whether they were seemingly
successful or not.
>> > > > > > > > > > I don’t now it that exists anymore.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > No, science is better than think tanks.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Then you have limited knowledge in regards to think tanks. I
was
>> > > > > > > > looking
>> > > > > > > > into
>> > > > > > > > funding for one in my early years due to my inquisitive
nature in many
>> > > > > > > > things and arena's.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > So why did you lose your interest in think tanks? And what
makes them
>> > > > > > > even on a par with scientific excellence?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > It has nothing to do with scientific excellence it has to do with
ideas
>> > > > > > carried out to their useful ends and or total failures thus
proving it
>> > > > > > to
>> > > > > > be
>> > > > > > just another pipe dream. That part of my life I did not wan't to
sell to
>> > > > > > anyone, although one of my project ideas I wish that I could have
given
>> > > > > > it
>> > > > > > to the proper people for even free, since it would/could have
helped
>> > > > > > space
>> > > > > > travel considerably in a variety of ways.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Think tanks -- popular culture's answer to a question no one asked.
>> > > >
>> > > > You must be a pessimist at heart.
>> > >
>> > > No, I just don't have a high opinion of pop culture. Science seems
>> > > to separate itself from that part of society.
>> >
>> > Enter Fauci. LOL
>>
>> Consulting is not science, though scientists outside academia might
>> become interested in it.
>
>Fauci was not a consultant..
Not technically, but he was sought after as if he were.
>> > > >
>> > > > No.
>> > >
>> > > I'm glad we agree on that.
>> >
>> > It was never an issue. But imprints in certain layers are.
>>
>> They are, but they're not found with dinosaur footprints.
>
>A very generalized and false statement.
There are no human footprints contemporaneous with dinosaur
footprints, and indeed, in general there are no *modern* footprints
like cat and dog footprints found contemporaneous with dinosaur
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