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>> > > > > > > > > > the prayers of man that he blessed and then handed it to
the
>> > > > > > > > > > Heavenly
>> > > > > > > > > > Father
>> > > > > > > > > > to bless, and return the answers for them. It is also
backed up in
>> > > > > > > > > > scripture
>> > > > > > > > > > From the first chapter of Genesis on.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > No, the plural of God in the book of Genesis is just a
remnant of
>> > > > > > > > > early Israelite polytheism. It has nothing to do with God
the Father.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > It was mentioned before there were any Israelites. The young
man
>> > > > > > > > mentioned
>> > > > > > > > the realities of that without making a big point about it,
for which
>> > > > > > > > I’d
>> > > > > > > > bet many religious types will flack him for it, as well as
calling
>> > > > > > > > him a
>> > > > > > > > total fraud because it does not match up with their supposed
doctrines
>> > > > > > > > of
>> > > > > > > > men. Jesus when he returned to the Father was seated at the
right hand
>> > > > > > > > of
>> > > > > > > > the Heavenly Father. NOT on the throne of the Heavenly Father.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > No, the setting of the story in Genesis is pre-Israelite but in
>> > > > > > > reality it was composed in Israel much later than that. And
Jesus
>> > > > > > > sitting at the right hand of his Father is a remnant from the
early
>> > > > > > > days of Jesus' preachings, when he was considered to be
somewhat less
>> > > > > > > of a ruler than his Father was.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Did you bother to read what I said? It sure does not look like it.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Read it? The whole paragraph is a rebuttal of what you said.
>> > > >
>> > > > I stated that it was before the time of the Israelites, so just what
were
>> > > > you
>> > > > rebutting?
>> > >
>> > > Just that. I said it was composed after Israel became a nation, not
>> > > before.
>> >
>> > Which I said right off the bat. Which is one of the reasons I question
your
>> > reading skills.
>>
>> No, your claim was that it was "mentioned before there were any
>> Israelites." It's still visible in the attributions above.
>>
>> > Now of course if you just skim things with no thoughts and jump over
lengthy
>> > things I can understand why you miss much, sort of like Mitch does.
>>
>> What lengthy things have I supposedly jumped over?
>>
>> > > > > > > Why couldn't you go to heaven and get spiritually saved there?
>> > > > > > > Wouldn't that be fun?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Those that die and are not of God, go to hell.Sin is not allowed
in
>> > > > > > heaven,
>> > > > > > I suppose you could have a vision of heaven, so as to see what
truth and
>> > > > > > life is like and the same thing with hell.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > So you just didn't want to go to heaven at that point in your life?
>> > > >
>> > > > I have never been to heaven via a vision, or tele-transportation or
>> > > > physical
>> > > > death.
>> > >
>> > > Is that why you didn't want to go to heaven at that point in your
>> > > life?
>> >
>> > I am ready to go at anytime, but I have certain responsibilities here that
>> > have to be followed through until at the minimum those I care about can be
>> > well taken care of.
>>
>> Wouldn't God be able to take over those responsibilities for you?
>>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > > > > And don't forget the fire of Hell itself. Real flames, right? I
>> > > > > > > notice you didn't mention that in your description of Hell. And
by the
>> > > > > > > way, in the Bible, Satan is punished in Hell. He doesn't rule
over
>> > > > > > > like Sunday School theology would have us believe.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Satan is the god of this world, At the bottom of the pit there is
fire,
>> > > > > > but
>> > > > > > the lake of Fire and brimstone is elsewhere. Hell is a holding
pen, it
>> > > > > > is
>> > > > > > not the final resting place of the damned.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > So where is Hell located, anyway? In the center of the earth?
>> > > >
>> > > > A pit, with sides deep in the earth
>> > >
>> > > Where on earth would that be? Can we set up sight-seeing trips to
>> > > visit it?
>> >
>> > Would your heart be strong enough to survive the trip to hell? I’ve heard
>> > of more than one who had severe cases of PTSD.
>>
>> I wasn't suggesting going into Hell, just going to visit it from the
>> outside. But your knowledge of geography must be very poor if you
>> think there's somewhere on earth where people are being tormented in a
>> a "pit." If there was such a thing it would be on all the maps, to say
>> the least.
>>
>> > > > > > > > > > What God would give a man a billion afternoons of peace
and pure
>> > > > > > > > > > delights?
>> > > > > > > > > > And what God would want a billion Karen’s there to oppose
him and
>> > > > > > > > > > the
>> > > > > > > > > > people that entered heaven?
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Non sequitur.
>> > > > > > > > Can’t relate. Eh?
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > I can relate to it, all right. It's just that it has nothing to
do
>> > > > > > > with what we were taking about.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > You were the one who brought that up. Look up a few paragraphs.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I talked about afternoons of savage torture, not afternoons of peace
>> > > > > and delights. That second part was added in by you, for no apparent
>> > > > > reason.
>> > > >
>> > > > Then why did you use the term ’billion afternoons’?
>> > >
>> > > It was part of my comparison to American Indians torturing captives to
>> > > death in the space of an afternoon. Then you introduced other kinds
>> > > of afternoons, showing that you weren't following the discussion.
>> >
>> > So you WERE the one who brought up billions of afternoons, eh?
>> > I understood you just fine. Which is why I should you the fallacy of your
>> > arguments and the outcomes of RL experiences.
>>
>> You showed me nothing of the sort.
>>
>> > > > > > > > > > In Revelation it speaks of those believers being tortured
for up to
>> > > > > > > > > > 10
>> > > > > > > > > > days.
>> > > > > > > > > > Samson was tortured for much longer. In the dark ages the
RCC
>> > > > > > > > > > tortured
>> > > > > > > > > > for
>> > > > > > > > > > days and often until death. Those were not acts of God,
it was pure
>> > > > > > > > > > evil.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Hell supposedly lasts forever, not 10 days. And when was
Samson,
>> > > > > > > > > specifically, tortured for much longer? In that folk tale,
don't they
>> > > > > > > > > just put out his eyes?
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Yes. But that was not hell I was speaking of. It is torture
that you
>> > > > > > > > mentioned, that was somehow limited in time and scope. Or did
you
>> > > > > > > > forget
>> > > > > > > > your
>> > > > > > > > premise just made above?
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > What does Samson have to do with what we're discussing?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > He was an example of someone who was tortured.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > How do you know Samson didn't go to heaven?
>> > > >
>> > > > Because the righteous dead went to paradise. Before Christ rose from
the
>> > > > dead.
>> > > > It is in the bible. Not written in those exact words but written by
>> > > > examples,
>> > > > at the time of Christ.
>> > >
>> > > How do you know Samson wasn't righteous? Were you aware that, in that
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