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   >> > > folk tale, Samson prays to God to give him his strength back just long   
   >> > > enough to kill many Philistines (the traditional enemies of the   
   >> > > Israelites who had captured him)?   
   >> >   
   >> > God answered his prayer, and after that he went to paradise;   
   >>   
   >> You have yet to explain why you think Samson was being tortured.   
   >   
   >Your lack of knowledge regarding the things of the bible is less than mine,   
   >even though you claim you have superior knowledge.   
      
   What does that have to do with Samson's alleged torture?   
      
   >> > Where is your proof from the history books of that civilizations that   
   prove   
   >> > it is false?   
   >>   
   >> The story of Samson is self-evidently false (i.e., a fairy tale)   
   >> because, newsflash, people don't become superhuman in strength because   
   >> of their hair style.   
   >   
   >That shows you did not understand what you either read or heard.   
      
   LOL!  So is there a YouTube video for this?   
      
   >> > > > Cruelty is in the eyes of the beholder. It is a poor excuse in an even   
   >> > > > poorer   
   >> > > > reason to attempt to justify why you do not belong there. You have a   
   >> > > > lesser   
   >> > > > example of that from men who are sent to prison for long terms   
   especially   
   >> > > > to   
   >> > > > keep from being on a chain gang, or dwelling in tents in the hot   
   desert   
   >> > > > lands.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > No, cruelty is not in the eye of the beholder. It's real and should   
   >> > > be recognized easily by anyone with barest moral compass.   
   >> >   
   >> > You don’t know much about RL do you. Case in point the Hamas slaughter on   
   >> > 10/7, they were rejoicing and proud of what they did, even calling their   
   >> > parents to brag on it. Getting cheers when they returned with the hostages   
   >> > and footage of their slaughter and torturing. And they all felt morally   
   >> > justified in doing that they did. They also were supported by some here in   
   >> > the USA and around the world. Look at the slaughter currently going on in   
   >> > Nigeria by similar people.   
   >>   
   >> Some people rejoice in cruelty, but that doesn't make it any less   
   >> cruel.   
   >   
   >As you said, cruelty is in the eye of the beholder.   
      
   No, that's what you said.  Try to keep up.   
      
   >> > > > > > > > God has all the answers, and he can answer you to your needs   
   in such a   
   >> > > > > > > > way as you can be satisfied..   
   >> > > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > > But he's hiding them for some reason, right?   
   >> > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > You have not because you ask not.   
   >> > > > >   
   >> > > > > Others have asked, and they haven't pulled God out of his shell, so   
   to   
   >> > > > > speak.   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > Were they believers and in His family? If they were did they ask   
   amiss?   
   >> > > > IF they were non believers, or doubters, then they were not asking in   
   >> > > > faith   
   >> > > > believing.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > Yes, many people pray for good things but don't get them primarily   
   >> > > because God doesn't exist, not because they didn't "have enough   
   >> > > faith".   
   >> >   
   >> > If they are not believers then? Why does the bible speak about not hearing   
   >> > the prayers of the wicked?   
   >>   
   >> No, the prayers are not heard because, like I say, God does not exist,   
   >> not because people are "too wicked" to be heard by God.   
   >   
   >Proof?   
      
   Well, with all the suffering in the world, God should remove that   
   suffering even if the person praying for that is "wicked."  It's just   
   common sense.   
      
   >> > > > > > > Without relying on the myths and legends of the Bible, tell us   
   about   
   >> > > > > > > these people around Israel that knew of their supposed miracles.   
   >> > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > 2Ki 5:1 Now Naaman, captain of the host of the king of Syria, was   
   a   
   >> > > > > > great   
   >> > > > > > man   
   >> > > > > > with his master, and honourable, because by him the LORD had given   
   >> > > > > > deliverance unto Syria: he was also a mighty man in valour, but   
   he was a   
   >> > > > > > leper.   
   >> > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > 2Ki 5:2 And the Syrians had gone out by companies, and had   
   brought away   
   >> > > > > > captive out of the land of Israel a little maid; and she waited on   
   >> > > > > > Naaman's   
   >> > > > > > wife.   
   >> > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > 2Ki 5:3 And she said unto her mistress, Would God my lordwere   
   with the   
   >> > > > > > prophet that is in Samaria! for he would recover him of his   
   leprosy.   
   >> > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > 2Ki 5:4 And one went in, and told his lord, saying, Thus and thus   
   said   
   >> > > > > > the   
   >> > > > > > maid thatis of the land of Israel.   
   >> > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > 2Ki 5:5 And the king of Syria said, Go to, go, and I will send a   
   letter   
   >> > > > > > unto   
   >> > > > > > the king of Israel. And he departed, and took with him ten   
   talents of   
   >> > > > > > silver,   
   >> > > > > > and six thousand pieces of gold, and ten changes of raiment.   
   >> > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > 2Ki 5:6 And he brought the letter to the king of Israel, saying,   
   Now   
   >> > > > > > when   
   >> > > > > > this letter is come unto thee, behold, I have therewith sent   
   Naaman my   
   >> > > > > > servant to thee, that thou mayest recover him of his leprosy.   
   >> > > > >   
   >> > > > > Didn't you read what I said? Remember, *without relying on the myths   
   >> > > > > and legends of the Bible.*   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > There are no myths there no legends either.   
   >> > > > In RL there are legends based on facts as well as embellished   
   thinking.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > Right. That's where the stories came from, not because other nations   
   >> > > in ancient times had heard about miracles in Israel.   
   >> >   
   >> > Nope. And you have nothing that verifies that train of thought.   
   >>   
   >> I see you're having trouble with a train of thought with this. The   
   >> point was no miracles occurred in ancient Israel, since none of the   
   >> other nations of time mention it.   
   >   
   >Disappointing that you did not read the scriptures and the letter from the   
   >King of Syris to the King of. Israel discounts your point that he had no   
   >knowledge of this.   
      
   What are you doing going back at the Bible, when I specified that   
   non-Biblical evidence for the Biblical stories was needed.  It's like   
   you're trying to verify Marvel comics by referring to the story of   
   Superman.   
      
   >> > > > > > 3Jn 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper   
   and be   
   >> > > > > > in health, even as thy soul prospereth.   
   >> > > > >   
   >> > > > > Part of the problem is that you are apparently a subscriber to the   
   >> > > > > prosperity gospel claims yourself. Remember that the love of money   
   >> > > > > is the root of all evil, though (see 1 Timothy 6:10)   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > And that is the reason why people fall prey to false teachers, who are   
   >> > > > also   
   >> > > > dwelling under the love of money. Give for the sole purpose of   
   getting.   
   >> > > > That   
   >> > > > is not Godly. Nor is it of God. Money has become a god to those   
   people.   
   >> > > > Not   
   >> > > > that you would understand.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > Do you think televangelists suffer from those problems?   
   >> >   
   >> > Some from their beginnings, some others because they fell away by   
   >> > temptations   
   >> > and other things.   
   >> > That happened to Jimmy Swaggart, and he fell hard, and paid the price for   
   >> > it.   
   >> > Yet he truly repented. And died in faith believing. He was even able to   
   lead   
   >> > his cousin to the Lord near the end of life, while they both had life.   
   Jerry   
   >> > Lee Lewis who wanted nothing to do with God for most all of his life.   
   >>   
   >> No, after his "I have sinned" speech, he went *back* to prostitution.   
   >>   
   >> > > > God blesses his own.   
   >> > > > I could tell you stories about God blessing me, in RL, and how I   
   learned   
      
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