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   >> > > > about such things. But it would be of no help to you as you are not   
   of a   
   >> > > > mind to understand and learn.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > True, I don't regard you as my teacher. It's probably best if you   
   >> > > keep the stories to yourself, since I would guess that they're not   
   >> > > very convincing anyway.   
   >> >   
   >> > I know I am not your teacher, and I surely would not want to be known as   
   >> > that. It is for sure that no one would consider me to be one for you   
   anyhow.   
   >>   
   >> Of course.   
   >>   
   >> > >   
   >> > > > > > Oral passed away long ago.   
   >> > > > >   
   >> > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_Roberts   
   >> > > > >   
   >> > > > > "Even though Roberts was often associated with the prosperity gospel   
   >> > > > > and the faith movement because of his close doctrinal and personal   
   >> > > > > ties with Word-Faith teachers, his abundant life teachings did not   
   >> > > > > fully identify him with that movement.[37]"   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > Yet you place him fully there. I am a bit surprised that there was a   
   >> > > > modicum   
   >> > > > of truth there, being that it was WIKI.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > I didn't say he fully was, only that he was into it, at whatever   
   >> > > level.   
   >> >   
   >> > There is a lot of misunderstanding about what a word of Faith teacher is,   
   >> > and   
   >> > what it isn’t and I know some very bitter ‘christians’ who are into   
   >> > hatred of things they know not of worse that the typical atheist.   
   >>   
   >> Such as?   
   >>   
   >> > But anyone who is into false prosperity Gospel will pay the price. When a   
   >> > persons focus is on money either the gain of it or the rejection of it,   
   >> > their   
   >> > minds and hearts are not towards the Almighty God. Money controls their   
   >> > life,   
   >> > either way.   
   >>   
   >> No, there's nothing wrong with focusing on money, as long as you don't   
   >> take it to extremes.   
   >>   
   >> > > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > > > > > But the best is soon to come and is already on its way.   
   >> > > > > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > > > > Why isn't it here now?   
   >> > > > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > > > It is, and it is picking up world wide. Even mentioned in   
   part by that   
   >> > > > > > > > young   
   >> > > > > > > > man.   
   >> > > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > > How long has it been "picking up world wide"?   
   >> > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > A few months.   
   >> > > > >   
   >> > > > > So how soon do you anticipate the return of Christ, based on "a few   
   >> > > > > months" mentioned here?   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > I could not say anything definitive, and neither can Christ. But when   
   you   
   >> > > > see the city of Damascus destroyed over night then note it will be   
   >> > > > extremely   
   >> > > > soon.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > And if years pass by without the destruction of Damascus, what then?   
   >> >   
   >> > Then it means it is not yet the time. God is not willing that any perish.   
   >> > But   
   >> > that they would see Him.   
   >> > He knows the status of the hearts of all men, individually.   
   >>   
   >> So you don't know whether events from the last few months are really   
   >> and indicator of the end times we're supposedly living in.   
   >>   
   >> > > > > > > > Both of them were in Arkansas, although Duane has since moved   
   to   
   >> > > > > > > > Texas,   
   >> > > > > > > > and his son has taken over in Arkansas.   
   >> > > > > > > > Search them to find the reports. The other families I don’t   
   know if   
   >> > > > > > > > they   
   >> > > > > > > > made it public. And so I would not want to create issues for   
   them   
   >> > > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > > That doesn't tell me the when, where, and why of these NDEs.   
   >> > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > Why settle for hearsay when you can hear what they say about it?   
   >> > > > >   
   >> > > > > Which is what?   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > I just told you what to look for so you can hear it for yourself. If   
   you   
   >> > > > are   
   >> > > > not motived to look for it, then obviously you are not interested.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > I looked for it and found just a slick website by someone who claimed   
   >> > > to be an evangelist. Nothing about NDEs was involved.   
   >> >   
   >> > Right, and that is what he is. He has many videos, on his sight, you would   
   >> > have to do a search to find the video/videos. Duanes was several years   
   ago,   
   >> > and they are also on Your tube so a You tube search should bring it up. I   
   >> > don’t know that he stated it was an NDE but that he died, He didn’t Mae   
   >> > a   
   >> > big deal about it, but just talked about it He is not the tv type person,   
   he   
   >> > came from a background family of moonshiners, He wa going to be a tennis   
   >> > start in college as he was that good at it, then he met the Lord and gave   
   it   
   >> > up and went tp a bible college. He is an excellent bible teacher and.   
   There   
   >> > is nothing bad to say about him as a person.   
   >>   
   >> Why don't you do those searches, since you brought this guy up.   
   >>   
   >> > > > > > > > You didn’t read it very well. "and this strongly suggests   
   that the   
   >> > > > > > > > OBE   
   >> > > > > > > > is   
   >> > > > > > > > caused by "temporary, minor   
   >> > > > > > > > brain malfunctions, not by the person's spirit actually   
   leaving the   
   >> > > > > > > > body.”   
   >> > > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > > I did read it very well, and in fact I support their   
   conclusions. What   
   >> > > > > > > are you talking about?   
   >> > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > They did not state that it was a fact, just "strongly suggests”   
   other   
   >> > > > > > scientists “suspect”/\.   
   >> > > > >   
   >> > > > > Going with what they strongly suggest would seem to be the wisest   
   >> > > > > course of action.   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > Really? So you put faith in the unsubstantiated words of men? Even   
   when   
   >> > > > they   
   >> > > > disagree on it as point out in the article?   
   >> > >   
   >> > > What makes you thin they're unsubstantiated? They've done the   
   >> > > research, so they should know.   
   >> >   
   >> > Yet they disagreed as to what it was, they were not even on the same page.   
   >>   
   >> Disagree as to what was? How were they not on the same page?   
   >>   
   >> > >   
   >> > > > > > > > That does little to support a fixed conclusion. Especially   
   when the   
   >> > > > > > > > Witches   
   >> > > > > > > > and warlocks describe what they saw and where they have been   
   in spite   
   >> > > > > > > > of   
   >> > > > > > > > never having been there physically, ever. And That is all in   
   respect   
   >> > > > > > > > to   
   >> > > > > > > > the   
   >> > > > > > > > realities of this world, which can be proven and verified by   
   anyone.   
   >> > > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > > You believe in witches and warlocks? Are you sure your religion   
   isn't   
   >> > > > > > > Walt Disney?   
   >> > > > > >   
   >> > > > > > My religion? Sorry I have none other than that specified in the   
   book of   
   >> > > > > > James.   
   >> > > > >   
   >> > > > > You're part of a religion, regardless of your aversion to the word.   
   >> > > >   
   >> > > > No, I am part of the Body of Christ. The head of which is Jesus.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > Which is religion, despite your feeble attempts to separate yourself   
   >> > > from it, probably because you think that makes you look as objective   
   >> > > and "real" as the atheists you argue with.   
   >> >   
   >> > You have a poor understanding of what religion means.   
   >>   
   >> Is it just organized religion you have a problem with, or all   
   >> "religion"?   
   >>   
   >> > > > Being as you are only posting to argue and not even to appreciate the   
   >> > > > thoughts and understandings of other, then what point is there in   
   >> > > > continuing   
   >> > > > on in this subject?   
   >> > >   
   >> > > I'd be happy to end the discussion right here. But that's up to you   
   >> > > whether we have to keep going.   
   >> >   
   >> > We do not have to do anything.   
   >>   
   >> True. I suggest you end the discussion here.   
   >>   
   >> > >   
      
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