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   > > > > > > > > > > > > > At about 11:00 minutes in he says, "He's not   
   feminine; he's not   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > soft;   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > he's not even nice. Sid, he doesn't play games --   
   he's a man. He   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > means what he says."   
   > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > I have told my kids when they were young that Jesus   
   was buff.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > After   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > all,   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > he   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > grew up as a carpenter.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > He overturned the tables of money changers, etc. in   
   the temple of   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > His   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > Father.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, he means what he says, he is no wimp, and it will   
   be Him who   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > judges   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > all   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > men.   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > Sounds like an interesting fantasy world you've got   
   there, but it   
   > > > > > > > > > > > has   
   > > > > > > > > > > > nothing to do with Jesus not having any feminine   
   attributes.   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > What are feminine attributes? Love? Man have that,   
   Nurturing? Men   
   > > > > > > > > > > have   
   > > > > > > > > > > that.   
   > > > > > > > > > > Compassion, Men have that, it is integrated into the   
   hearts of men.   
   > > > > > > > > > > Ever   
   > > > > > > > > > > see   
   > > > > > > > > > > firemen and or policeman cry? See the horror on their   
   faces as they   
   > > > > > > > > > > hold a   
   > > > > > > > > > > dying child or greatly injured child? Ever see or hear of   
   a cop   
   > > > > > > > > > > showing   
   > > > > > > > > > > empathy towards adults who were at the end of their rope?   
   I have.   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > Maybe you should tell Gabe that, given that he seems to   
   think that   
   > > > > > > > > > someone who meant what they say or avoid playing games could   
   not be a   
   > > > > > > > > > woman. I don't know how he would react to crying cops, but   
   remember   
   > > > > > > > > > that he says Jesus is not feminine.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > It is a destructive sin for a man to be effeminate, why is   
   that?   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > We're talking about being feminine, (like a crying police man),   
   not   
   > > > > > > > effeminate like a transvestite.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > No, you are talking about something you know little of.   
   > > > > > > You know as much about being a woman as the last democratic VP   
   wannabe   
   > > > > > > knows   
   > > > > > > about being a man.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > What are we supposedly missing?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > If you are speaking of yourself? Understanding.   
   > > >   
   > > > Understanding of what? That's kind of a vague accusation -- maybe   
   > > > it's you that's lacking in understanding here.   
   > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Gen 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon   
   Adam, and   
   > > > > > > > > he   
   > > > > > > > > slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh   
   instead   
   > > > > > > > > thereof;   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Gen 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man,   
   made he a   
   > > > > > > > > woman,   
   > > > > > > > > and brought her unto the man.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and   
   flesh of my   
   > > > > > > > > flesh:   
   > > > > > > > > she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > The Bible never says she was a clone, anymore than saying men   
   are made   
   > > > > > > > of mud; that was you that claimed that, and that's what I was   
   > > > > > > > debunking.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > She was rebuilt into a woman, from a bone, the process is the same   
   as   
   > > > > > > cloning.verb, not noun.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > If you insist that the Bible says Eve was a clone of Adam, you'll   
   just   
   > > > > > have to face the fact that the Bible is wrong on this.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Adam had X and Y in him. Eve had XX Men carry both genes that is why   
   their   
   > > > > babies can be either male of female.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > In regards to cloning as done by man here are the various forms of it.   
   > > > > https://bio.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Introductory_and_   
   eneral_Biology/Ge   
   > > > > ne   
   > > > > r   
   > > > > al_Biology_(Boundless)/17%3A_Biotechnology_and_Genomics/   
   7.01%3A_Biotechno   
   > > > > lo   
   > > > > g   
   > > > > y/17.1D%3A_Reproductive_Cloning   
   > > > >   
   > > > > While it is not the last word or even complete word on cloning, it   
   should   
   > > > > open up you mind to help you be more aware of what cloning is and   
   does, as   
   > > > > well as why.   
   > > >   
   > > > I know cloning exists. I'm just saying a genetically a identical   
   > > > clone can't be a different sex than what's cloned from. The   
   > > > Y-chromosome in a female clone of a male would be missing, which would   
   > > > make the female "clone" genetically different from the male, i.e., not   
   > > > strictly speaking a *genetically identical* clone.   
   > >   
   > > Yet what I posted, which has nothing to do with the bible says it is a form   
   > > of or a full part of cloning.   
   >   
   > Part cloning is like being partly pregnant. You either are or you're   
   > not, with no "partly" in between.   
   >   
   > > > > Again reading comprehension requires contextual understandings and not   
   bit   
   > > > > parsing to fit ones agenda.   
   > > >   
   > > > You keep going back to this "agenda" thing. I don't have any more of   
   > > > an agenda as an atheist, than you do as a Christian in this   
   > > > discussion.   
   > >   
   > > Yet I am open to listening, and discussing differences, you are not when it   
   > > comes to God and Godly things.   
   >   
   > How am I not listening and discussing differences?   
   >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think women are wimps?   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > Some are, but what is your point?   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > I'm trying to determine whether you share Gabe's evident   
   belief that   
   > > > > > > > > > women are somehow less than men. Some women are wimps, but   
   as a rule   
   > > > > > > > > > do they tend to be wimps, in your view?   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Why do you always operate in the accusative. There is no   
   reason for   
   > > > > > > > > you   
   > > > > > > > > to   
   > > > > > > > > think that of Gabe or myself.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > I wasn't "thinking that", I was questioning you if you had that   
   > > > > > > > opinion of women. I take it from your reply on this that the   
   answer is   
   > > > > > > > no, you don't think women are wimpy in general. Gabe Poirot may   
   > > > > > > > disagree with you, though.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > You question via insinuation and presumptive thinking/statements.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > And that somehow prevents you from answering the question?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Your attempt to shape the narration to favor your point, as if it were   
   the   
   > > > > fact of the matter, is a total distortion of freedom of expression and   
   > > > > understandings.   
   > > >   
   > > > No, I don't have a problem with freedom of expression. After all, I'm   
   > > > not forcing you to accept my narrative of the discussion, and you're   
   > > > free to shape the narration as much as I try to.   
   > >   
   > > Actually, you do have a problem, and it is obvious in this thread. Among   
   > > other things you try to rephrase what is said, and tell me what I am   
   > > thinking   
   > > and why I do things, that I know to be true via living experiences. Amongst   
   > > other things.   
   >   
   > None of those things, even to the extent that they're true, stops you   
   > from using your freedom expression.   
   >   
   > > > > > > > LOL! Did you really believe your YEC beliefs are a part of   
   mainstream   
   > > > > > > > science?   
   > > > > > >   
      
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