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   > Some threads are like that.   
   >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *he sometimes refers to a time when he was   
   dead and   
   > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes refers   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to a situation where he was teetering   
   between life and death;   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it?   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both. His OOBE and the realities of being in a   
   spiritual state   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assumed he was back on earth as he saw things   
   clearly. Had he   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his body he would have felt the consciousness   
   that his body   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aware   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paul, the Apostle, could not tell when he   
   visited heaven   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the body or out of it. He had been stoned to   
   death at least   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > once,   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as I   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recalled he was killed something like three   
   different times.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But these days he says he *was* dead, not that   
   he was at that   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe dead, from his perspective.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not sure as to whom you are speaking of here.   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the name of this thread? Is it "I died and   
   was teetering   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > on   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > the edge of death for 18 years"? Or is it *I   
   died*... and went to   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > > heaven for 18 days"   
   > > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > The latter, of course, but the Apostle Paul was just   
   mentioned and   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > His   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > trip   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > to heaven so I could not tell to whom you were   
   referring.   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > If it was the latter, why does Gabe describe his   
   condition being   
   > > > > > > > > > > > teetering between life and death, rather than just death?   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > From what I gathered those things happened on and off   
   during various   
   > > > > > > > > > > days   
   > > > > > > > > > > in   
   > > > > > > > > > > the midst of the 18 days.   
   > > > > > > > > > > His book coming out should cover a whole lot more detail,   
   and I plan   
   > > > > > > > > > > on   
   > > > > > > > > > > buying it to see what all was written.   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > What do you think about his association with Kenneth   
   Copeland?   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > What association?   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > He's involved in the scam of the prosperity gospel   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Like I said, he died years ago.   
   > > > > > > Scams are done by fraudsters, false prophets, etc.   
   > > > > > > And hucksters are more gullible that those they defraud.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > What about wealthy televangelists? Is it God, in your opinion, that   
   > > > > > makes them rich? Or is it all a scam?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Some are and some aren’t. God is weeding out the garden.   
   > > >   
   > > > Are you suggesting that there are less televangelists now than there   
   > > > used to be (since, in your view, some have been "weeded out")?   
   > >   
   > > How do you arrive at that conclusion?   
   >   
   > According to you, they're being weeded out, which would leave fewer of   
   > them after some of them have been weeded out.   
   >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > Obviously the yung man said he was dead, with rigor   
   mortise at the   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > fore,   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > and at the end he was to be or about to be, put into a   
   body bag.   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > What about post-mortem decay, as mentioned by some other   
   poster?   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > What about it, they did not view the video, you did, you   
   also heard   
   > > > > > > > > > > that   
   > > > > > > > > > > they   
   > > > > > > > > > > put him on life support systems, which is typically done   
   on the dead   
   > > > > > > > > > > in   
   > > > > > > > > > > order   
   > > > > > > > > > > to preserve short term viability in order to harvest   
   organs from   
   > > > > > > > > > > those   
   > > > > > > > > > > that   
   > > > > > > > > > > are organ donors.   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > They had to wait 18 days after he died to harvest his   
   organs? Was he   
   > > > > > > > > > even an organ donor to begin with?   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > I never said that, I just explained that the same process was   
   used to   
   > > > > > > > > keep   
   > > > > > > > > him ’alive’ as for them, I gathered that his family was   
   hoping   
   > > > > > > > > that   
   > > > > > > > > he   
   > > > > > > > > would recover naturally as others have. After all they gave   
   him meds   
   > > > > > > > > to   
   > > > > > > > > assure that he would be put into a comatose state which helps   
   many to   
   > > > > > > > > recover from brain injuries.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > A comatose state is not death.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Who said it was?   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Anyone who claims Gabe Poirot was dead for 18 days.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > You are not a Doctor, you know not what is clinically dead.   
   > > >   
   > > > I don't have to be to know that some people claim he was dead.   
   > >   
   > > Yet is is a point that you make, even when the doctor said he was,   
   >   
   > You seem to believe that people can't be "pronounced dead." It   
   > happens all the time, without the need for 18 days of waiting.   
   >   
   > > > > Luk 16:27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou   
   wouldest   
   > > > > send him to my father's house:   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Luk 16:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest   
   > > > > they   
   > > > > also come into this place of torment.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let   
   > > > > them   
   > > > > hear them.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them   
   from   
   > > > > the dead, they will repent.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the   
   prophets,   
   > > > > neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.   
   > > >   
   > > > A silly little story.   
   > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > That is the problem with agendized dismissive arguments,   
   they toss   
   > > > > > > > > > > out   
   > > > > > > > > > > all   
   > > > > > > > > > > forms of reality to focus on something that fits their   
   narrative and   
   > > > > > > > > > > thereby project false conclusions.   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > Well, you're definitely not a purveyor of "reality."   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Same thing was said to the Wright brothers. And Issac Newton.   
   And some   
   > > > > > > > > in   
   > > > > > > > > regards to the Heavenly Father. And had you given my statement   
   some   
   > > > > > > > > thought   
   > > > > > > > > you might see the truth in it.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > No, Isaac Newton was not ridiculed. "I know the lion by his   
   claw," as   
   > > > > > > > one mathematician/physicist remarked respectfully about one of   
      
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