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   > > > > > > > Newton's solutions to a problem. The Wright brothers were   
   laughed at,   
   > > > > > > > but so was Bozo the Clown (i.e., in this situation, the adage   
   means   
   > > > > > > > don't be so happy that you've been ridiculed).   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > As I said, had you been looking for truth, and you weren’t. You   
   were   
   > > > > > > looking for possible points of arguments.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > I already know enough about "truth" on this; I don't need your help   
   to   
   > > > > > find it in your ridiculous ideas.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and   
   between   
   > > > > > > > > thy   
   > > > > > > > > seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt   
   bruise his   
   > > > > > > > > heel.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Notice “her seed” a specific reference to Jesus of the   
   seed of   
   > > > > > > > > Mary.   
   > > > > > > > > Not   
   > > > > > > > > man and Mary but of God and Mary.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > No, it's talking about mankind's long battle with snakes, not   
   Mary the   
   > > > > > > > mother of Jesus. If it were, referring to Mary by name would be   
   quite   
   > > > > > > > a feather in the Bible's cap, but of course it never was.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > The bible is not an entity.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > It's a collection of books believed to be inspired by many   
   Christians.   
   > > > > > How is that not "an entity"?   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > (Messiah to be the seed of the woman). The servants of Christ   
   are   
   > > > > > > > > members   
   > > > > > > > > of   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > that body of which Christ is the head, and therefore are   
   included in   
   > > > > > > > > this   
   > > > > > > > > seed.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > No, the quaint fairy tale in the first part of Genesis has   
   nothing   
   > > > > > > > whatsoever to do with the Messiah.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Knee jerk reaction. ;)   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > No, that comes from careful study of the tale from a critical   
   > > > > > perspective.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > 1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > No, be ye annoying, as he is annoying.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > 1Pe 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of   
   persons   
   > > > > > > > > judgeth   
   > > > > > > > > according to every man's work, pass the time of your   
   sojourning here   
   > > > > > > > > in   
   > > > > > > > > fear:   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > You still have to refer to our prayers being "in Jesus' name,"   
   > > > > > > > apparently because you're so fearful of the Father's wrath that   
   you   
   > > > > > > > have to mention that Jesus is with you when you talk to the   
   Father.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > I don’t have to do anything. I do not live in fear of the wrath   
   of the   
   > > > > > > Heavenly Father. There is a reason of promise as to why one prays   
   in his   
   > > > > > > name. But you know it not.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > What reason is that?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > I hold the surety that was promised.   
   > > >   
   > > > And you don't think the alleged Father knows about that?   
   > >   
   > > He is the one that gives it.   
   >   
   > Then why the need to remind him of it?   
   >   
   > > > > > > > > 1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with   
   > > > > > > > > corruptible   
   > > > > > > > > things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation   
   received by   
   > > > > > > > > tradition from your fathers;   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > 1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb   
   without   
   > > > > > > > > blemish and without spot:   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > A depiction of a bloodthirsty deity.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > ***********************   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > 1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of   
   the   
   > > > > > > > > world,   
   > > > > > > > > but was manifest in these last times for you,   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > LOL! He thought he was living in the last times!   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > ***********************   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > 1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from   
   the   
   > > > > > > > > dead,   
   > > > > > > > > and   
   > > > > > > > > gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > What is the point of those quotations?   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Can’t keep up with the convo? You were so busy with your intent   
   of   
   > > > > > > picking   
   > > > > > > things apart that you never grasped the thought of the context. It   
   > > > > > > answered   
   > > > > > > a comment you made in a questioning form.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > No, you posted a bunch of non sequiturs for reasons, at present, that   
   > > > > > only you know of.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Can’t maintain a train of thought? Or failed in philosophy?   
   > > >   
   > > > Why do you say that? And philosophy would be a good thing to fail at,   
   > > > if you had to choose.   
   > > >   
   > > > > > > > > There is the proof that he knew ahead of time what would   
   happen.   
   > > > > > > > > Understood   
   > > > > > > > > what might happen, and could happen and provided a way of   
   escape from   
   > > > > > > > > the   
   > > > > > > > > very beginning. And like satan who desired to be God, and be   
   bigger   
   > > > > > > > > and   
   > > > > > > > > badder than God, would by their life choices would be made   
   manifest   
   > > > > > > > > and   
   > > > > > > > > go   
   > > > > > > > > to dwell with Satan, their leader/ comrade in arms. Birds of a   
   feather   
   > > > > > > > > and all that.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > This character Satan should have long since been killed.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > So has God ever told you what the temperature is outside?   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Was there ever a need for that?   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Yes. It can tell you how to dress for the weather.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Jhn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he   
   will guide   
   > > > > > > > > you   
   > > > > > > > > into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but   
   whatsoever he   
   > > > > > > > > shall   
   > > > > > > > > hear, that’s hall he speak: and he will shew you things to   
   come.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > What was God supposedly waiting on to provide this Spirit of   
   truth? I   
   > > > > > > > mean it's not as if the book of John was written the day Jesus   
   > > > > > > > supposedly left the earth.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > While I know you are incapable of understanding, it was always   
   available   
   > > > > > > to   
   > > > > > > the prophets of God. But was made possible to all who were   
   redeemed by   
   > > > > > > Jesus.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Why would it need to be "redeemed by Jesus"?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > If you actually read your bible and know more than most all christians,   
   > > > > then   
   > > > > you would have known what was said about it.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > You mean you imagined that he was by your side, and attributed your   
   > > > > > own problem-solving skills to Jesus -- and an unasked question was   
   > > > > > just something in your subconscious, the same level of consciousness   
   > > > > > which you used to solve the problem in step-by-step fashion. No Jesus   
   > > > > > was involved.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > You were not there, and you do not know. You have no reason to know and   
   > > > > you   
   > > > > care not to know.   
   > > >   
   > > > I don't have to have been there to recognize the signs of   
   > > > self-deluding on your part.   
   > > >   
   > > > > Even so Jesus is holding the door open for you while you still have   
   > > > > breath.   
   > > >   
   > > > LOL! I don't see any reason to believe that's true.   
   > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > > > It was a point that the young man made about Jesus   
      
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