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   > > > > > > > > > > mentioned, that was somehow limited in time and scope. Or   
   did you   
   > > > > > > > > > > forget   
   > > > > > > > > > > your   
   > > > > > > > > > > premise just made above?   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > What does Samson have to do with what we're discussing?   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > He was an example of someone who was tortured.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > How do you know Samson didn't go to heaven?   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Because the righteous dead went to paradise. Before Christ rose   
   from the   
   > > > > > > dead.   
   > > > > > > It is in the bible. Not written in those exact words but written by   
   > > > > > > examples,   
   > > > > > > at the time of Christ.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > How do you know Samson wasn't righteous? Were you aware that, in that   
   > > > > > folk tale, Samson prays to God to give him his strength back just   
   long   
   > > > > > enough to kill many Philistines (the traditional enemies of the   
   > > > > > Israelites who had captured him)?   
   > > > >   
   > > > > God answered his prayer, and after that he went to paradise;   
   > > >   
   > > > You have yet to explain why you think Samson was being tortured.   
   > >   
   > > Your lack of knowledge regarding the things of the bible is less than mine,   
   > > even though you claim you have superior knowledge.   
   >   
   > What does that have to do with Samson's alleged torture?   
   >   
   > > > > Where is your proof from the history books of that civilizations that   
   > > > > prove   
   > > > > it is false?   
   > > >   
   > > > The story of Samson is self-evidently false (i.e., a fairy tale)   
   > > > because, newsflash, people don't become superhuman in strength because   
   > > > of their hair style.   
   > >   
   > > That shows you did not understand what you either read or heard.   
   >   
   > LOL! So is there a YouTube video for this?   
   >   
   > > > > > > Cruelty is in the eyes of the beholder. It is a poor excuse in an   
   even   
   > > > > > > poorer   
   > > > > > > reason to attempt to justify why you do not belong there. You have   
   a   
   > > > > > > lesser   
   > > > > > > example of that from men who are sent to prison for long terms   
   > > > > > > especially   
   > > > > > > to   
   > > > > > > keep from being on a chain gang, or dwelling in tents in the hot   
   desert   
   > > > > > > lands.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > No, cruelty is not in the eye of the beholder. It's real and should   
   > > > > > be recognized easily by anyone with barest moral compass.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > You don’t know much about RL do you. Case in point the Hamas   
   slaughter   
   > > > > on   
   > > > > 10/7, they were rejoicing and proud of what they did, even calling   
   their   
   > > > > parents to brag on it. Getting cheers when they returned with the   
   hostages   
   > > > > and footage of their slaughter and torturing. And they all felt morally   
   > > > > justified in doing that they did. They also were supported by some   
   here in   
   > > > > the USA and around the world. Look at the slaughter currently going on   
   in   
   > > > > Nigeria by similar people.   
   > > >   
   > > > Some people rejoice in cruelty, but that doesn't make it any less   
   > > > cruel.   
   > >   
   > > As you said, cruelty is in the eye of the beholder.   
   >   
   > No, that's what you said. Try to keep up.   
   >   
   > > > > > > > > > > God has all the answers, and he can answer you to your   
   needs in   
   > > > > > > > > > > such a   
   > > > > > > > > > > way as you can be satisfied..   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > But he's hiding them for some reason, right?   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > You have not because you ask not.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > Others have asked, and they haven't pulled God out of his shell,   
   so to   
   > > > > > > > speak.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Were they believers and in His family? If they were did they ask   
   amiss?   
   > > > > > > IF they were non believers, or doubters, then they were not asking   
   in   
   > > > > > > faith   
   > > > > > > believing.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Yes, many people pray for good things but don't get them primarily   
   > > > > > because God doesn't exist, not because they didn't "have enough   
   > > > > > faith".   
   > > > >   
   > > > > If they are not believers then? Why does the bible speak about not   
   hearing   
   > > > > the prayers of the wicked?   
   > > >   
   > > > No, the prayers are not heard because, like I say, God does not exist,   
   > > > not because people are "too wicked" to be heard by God.   
   > >   
   > > Proof?   
   >   
   > Well, with all the suffering in the world, God should remove that   
   > suffering even if the person praying for that is "wicked." It's just   
   > common sense.   
   >   
   > > > > > > > > > Without relying on the myths and legends of the Bible, tell   
   us about   
   > > > > > > > > > these people around Israel that knew of their supposed   
   miracles.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > 2Ki 5:1 Now Naaman, captain of the host of the king of Syria,   
   was a   
   > > > > > > > > great   
   > > > > > > > > man   
   > > > > > > > > with his master, and honourable, because by him the LORD had   
   given   
   > > > > > > > > deliverance unto Syria: he was also a mighty man in valour,   
   but he   
   > > > > > > > > was a   
   > > > > > > > > leper.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > 2Ki 5:2 And the Syrians had gone out by companies, and had   
   brought   
   > > > > > > > > away   
   > > > > > > > > captive out of the land of Israel a little maid; and she   
   waited on   
   > > > > > > > > Naaman's   
   > > > > > > > > wife.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > 2Ki 5:3 And she said unto her mistress, Would God my lordwere   
   with the   
   > > > > > > > > prophet that is in Samaria! for he would recover him of his   
   leprosy.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > 2Ki 5:4 And one went in, and told his lord, saying, Thus and   
   thus said   
   > > > > > > > > the   
   > > > > > > > > maid thatis of the land of Israel.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > 2Ki 5:5 And the king of Syria said, Go to, go, and I will send   
   a   
   > > > > > > > > letter   
   > > > > > > > > unto   
   > > > > > > > > the king of Israel. And he departed, and took with him ten   
   talents of   
   > > > > > > > > silver,   
   > > > > > > > > and six thousand pieces of gold, and ten changes of raiment.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > 2Ki 5:6 And he brought the letter to the king of Israel,   
   saying, Now   
   > > > > > > > > when   
   > > > > > > > > this letter is come unto thee, behold, I have therewith sent   
   Naaman my   
   > > > > > > > > servant to thee, that thou mayest recover him of his leprosy.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > Didn't you read what I said? Remember, *without relying on the   
   myths   
   > > > > > > > and legends of the Bible.*   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > There are no myths there no legends either.   
   > > > > > > In RL there are legends based on facts as well as embellished   
   thinking.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Right. That's where the stories came from, not because other nations   
   > > > > > in ancient times had heard about miracles in Israel.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Nope. And you have nothing that verifies that train of thought.   
   > > >   
   > > > I see you're having trouble with a train of thought with this. The   
   > > > point was no miracles occurred in ancient Israel, since none of the   
   > > > other nations of time mention it.   
   > >   
   > > Disappointing that you did not read the scriptures and the letter from the   
   > > King of Syris to the King of. Israel discounts your point that he had no   
   > > knowledge of this.   
   >   
   > What are you doing going back at the Bible, when I specified that   
   > non-Biblical evidence for the Biblical stories was needed. It's like   
   > you're trying to verify Marvel comics by referring to the story of   
   > Superman.   
   >   
   > > > > > > > > 3Jn 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest   
   prosper and   
   > > > > > > > > be   
   > > > > > > > > in health, even as thy soul prospereth.   
   > > > > > > >   
      
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