XPost: alt.religion.christian, alt.religion.jehovahs-witn   
   From: .robert@mu.way   
      
   On Nov 12, 2025, zebrabible@proton.me wrote   
   (Message-ID:):   
      
   > On Sat, 08 Nov 2025 23:23:48 -0800, Robert<.robert@mu.way>  wrote:   
   >   
   > >   
   > > “Ye believe in God, believe also in me” is a clear–cut statement of   
   > > our Lord that He is God. I know a theology professor who claims that Jesus   
   did   
   > > not claim deity. I'd like to know what He is saying here in this first   
   verse   
   > > if He is not making Himself equal with God. His statement makes something   
   > > very clear right here. To believe in God means you are not an atheist, but   
   > > to be aChristian, you must have personal faith and trust in Christ. "   
   > > Dr. McGee.   
   > If that is "clear-cut", I would hate to see "unclear-cut".   
   > Jesus meant that if you believe in God, believe in God's Son, Jesus.   
   > (John 10:36)   
   >   
   > That theologian knows Bible truth.   
      
   He just believes the same lie that you and the JW believes. And in fact the   
   verse you pointed to disputes your claim.   
      
   “Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world,   
   Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? If I do not the works   
   of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe   
   the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in   
   him.” (Jhn 10:36-38)   
      
   There, the context of that scripture. Shows that Jesus and His Heavenly   
   Father are ‘One” in total unity and partnership. IOW as ONE.   
      
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   > >   
   > > Jhn 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in   
   > > me.   
   >   
   > Yes, because he was the Son of God.   
      
   The same as Hod the Heavenly Father, for the Blood of the Father flowed   
   through his veins. After all he was sired by Him via conception. Similar to   
   the Kings and Princes of this world.   
   >   
   >   
   > >   
   > > Were the ones who declared that Jesus was not God, Jews or JW’s?   
   >   
   > Neither, it was the Holy Bible.   
      
   You cannot show that from scripture. That is a big lie of the JW,   
      
   Both if you claimed that he was not “GOD” and in fact you just repeated   
   that claim today in a post I replied to you where you and the lying NWT said   
   he was “a god”. So why keep on repeating your lies?   
   >   
   >   
   > > It really doesn’t matter, Jesus answers them both, in the scriptures   
   below.   
   >   
   > Alright, let's have a look at them.   
   >   
   > >   
   > > Jhn 5:10 The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the sabbath   
   > > day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed.   
   > >   
   > > Jhn 5:11 He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me,   
   > > Take   
   > > up thy bed, and walk.   
   > >   
   > > Jhn 5:12 Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take   
   up   
   > > thy bed, and walk?   
   > >   
   > > Jhn 5:13 And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed   
   > > himself away, a multitude being in that place.   
   > >   
   > > Jhn 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him,   
   > > Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto   
   thee.   
   > >   
   > > Jhn 5:15 The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had   
   > > made him whole.   
   > >   
   > > Jhn 5:16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay   
   him,   
   > > because he had done these things on the sabbath day.   
   > >   
   > > Jhn 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.   
   > >   
   > > Jhn 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not   
   only   
   > > had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making   
   > > himself equal with God.   
   >   
   > What the Jews said makes no sense. If you say "that man is my father",   
   > you just made yourself equal to your father? The Jews didn't know what   
   > they were talking about. Proclaiming someone is your father doesn't   
   > make you equal to him.   
      
   What phony Baloney.   
      
   “Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world,   
   Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? If I do not the works   
   of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe   
   the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in   
   him.” (Jhn 10:36-38)   
      
   The Jews were expecting the Messiah, their King, at that time.   
      
   >   
   > Those Jews that talked to him didn't know their heads from their toes   
   > when it came to spiritual matters. That's one reason why Jesus called   
   > them "offspring of vipers". (Mt 3:7)   
      
   You too are part of that offspring. And it was John the Baptist that said   
   that. Not Jesus in those verses.   
      
   You do not even believe or follow the scriptures when it comes to water   
   baptism.   
      
   Bible:Matthew 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the   
   nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the   
   holy spirit".   
      
   Watchtower:(1) “Have you repented of your sins, dedicated yourself   
   toJehovah, and accepted his way of salvation throughJesus Christ?”   
   (2) “Do you understand that your baptism identifies you as one of   
   Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with Jehovah’s organization?”   
      
   >   
   > > Was this spoken by the Pharisaical Jews or the JW’s, and what is the   
   > > differences in their reasoning?   
   >   
   > See above for the reasoning.   
   >   
   > Have you proclaimed that you are the son of your father? You have?   
   > Then YOU ARE EQUAL TO YOUR FATHER, according to those Jews. Those Jews   
   > remind me of a weight set: DUMBBELLS.   
      
   Yet you claim to be Jehovahs Witnesses, which the OT says are the Israelites.   
   And being that none of you all are spiritual, save the 144K, who are thy to   
   claim they are dumbbells when you act like them?   
   >   
   >   
   > >   
   > > Mrk 2:6 But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning   
   > > in their hearts,   
   > >   
   > > Mrk 2:7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but   
   > > God only?   
   >   
   > They made another error here. Not only God can forgive sins, but   
   > anyone He chooses, such as His Son, Jesus.   
   Where does it say that “anyone he chooses”?   
   Which he proved his Godship by his works. You cannot forgive sins. Neither   
   can any JW, why is that?   
      
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   > >   
   > > Mrk 2:8 And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so   
   > > reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things   
   in   
   > > your hearts?   
   > >   
   > > Mrk 2:9 Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be   
   > > forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk?   
   > >   
   > > Mrk 2:10 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to   
   > > forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)   
   > >   
   > > Mrk 2:11 I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into   
   > > thine house.   
   > >   
   > > Mrk 2:12 And immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went forth before   
      
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