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   Message 95,062 of 96,161   
   James to Robert   
   Re: The Current Big Lie of the Jehovah's   
   17 Nov 25 11:55:57   
   
   [continued from previous message]   
      
   >the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee.   
   >   
   >Isa 43:3 For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I   
   >gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.   
   >   
   >Who is the Saviour of the Israelites in that day? Jesus?   
   >   
   >Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.   
   >   
   >So just how does that related, in the JW doctrines, with the truth of   
   >scripture that says,...   
   >   
   >Luk 1:47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God mySaviour.   
   >   
   >Luk 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which   
   >is Christ the Lord.   
   >   
   >Jhn 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying:   
   >for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the   
   >Saviour of the world.   
   >   
   >Act 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right handto be a Prince and a   
   >Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.   
   >   
   >Act 13:23 Of this man's seed hath God according tohis promise raised unto   
   >Israel a Saviour, Jesus:   
   >   
   >You claim to believe all the Bible, but do you accept these truths as   
   >infallible?   
      
   If they are translated correctly, yes.   
      
   Isa 43:10-12 is where JW's get their name. It just describes the   
   present day actions of JW's. We do not claim to be them.   
      
   >   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> "LEARN FROM JESUS   
   >   
   >Looking to Jesus, you say as the only Saviour, and claiming that only through   
   >Jesus the Messiah can one have access to the Heavenly Father.   
      
   Yes, that is John 14:6. And BOTH Jesus and God are saviors.   
      
      
   >   
   >Yet you choose not to submit to Jesus, yielding to Him as the only Saviour.   
      
   Both God and Jesus are saviors:   
      
   "4.  But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man   
   appeared,   
    5.  not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according   
   to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and   
   renewing of the Holy Spirit,   
    6.  whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our   
   Savior," (Titus 2:4-6; NKJV)   
      
   So we have:   
      
   (1) "God our savior"   
   (2) "Jesus Christ our savior"   
      
      
      
   >   
   >The big lie of the JW is that they are the witnesses of Jehovah as they do   
   >not follow Jehovah and do so according the Mosaic laws that Yehovah and the   
   >nation of Israel agreed upon.   
      
   We are not the literal nation of Israel, and all of those Mosaic Laws   
   were done away with at Jesus' death:   
      
   -- New King James   
   Colossians 2:14  having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that   
   was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of   
   the way, having nailed it to the cross.   
      
   >   
   >Instead, according to the JW they now follow a man, who in the past they also   
   >denied that he was risen from the dead, and seen by many men.   
      
   JW's go by the Bible. They go by John 14:6:   
      
   -- King James   
   John 14:6  Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the   
   life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.   
      
   Let me see your proof about denying he rose from the dead and was seen   
   by many people.   
      
   At any rate, JW's accept the Bible which says he rose from the dead   
   and was seen by hundreds.   
      
   "LEARN FROM JESUS   
   Make Time for God   
   Learn More". See jw.org (11/14/2025)   
   James: zebrabible@proton.me   
      
      
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   >> James: zebrabible@proton.me   
      
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