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   Message 95,063 of 96,161   
   Christ Rose to All   
   Re: The Current Big Lie of the Jehovah's   
   17 Nov 25 17:07:22   
   
   XPost: alt.religion.christian, alt.religion.jehovahs-witn   
   From: usenet@christrose.news   
      
   Scripture speaks with a clear and unwavering voice. The Word does not   
   bend to your claims. It corrects them. It exposes them. And it replaces   
   them with truth that glorifies the Father through the Son whom He sent   
   (John 5:23; 2 Corinthians 4:1–6).   
      
   You deny the full deity of Christ, yet the Scriptures you appeal to   
   refute you at every turn.   
      
   John 1:1 in the ESV reads, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word   
   was with God, and the Word was God” (John 1:1, ESV). The text uses the   
   Greek theos without an article, not to demote the Word, but to emphasize   
   His divine nature. The Word possesses everything true of God Himself.   
   John then declares that the Word created all things (John 1:3, ESV).   
   Only God creates.   
      
   You cite 1 Corinthians 11:3 as if order implies inequality in nature. It   
   does not. Christ submits to the Father in His mediatorial role, having   
   taken on flesh for our salvation (Philippians 2:6–8, ESV). Yet in His   
   very nature, He remains “in the form of God” (Philippians 2:6, ESV).   
      
   You claim Jesus is “a god.” Scripture rejects that. God declares,   
   “Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me” (Isaiah   
   43:10, ESV). Jehovah does not tolerate other gods. He does not create   
   lesser gods. Yet the Word is God. Your teaching forces a contradiction   
   into the text that the text itself refuses to bear.   
      
   You claim to believe “all the Bible,” but you deny the very truths   
   Scripture reveals about Christ. You deny the eternal judgment that Jesus   
   Himself preached. He warned of “the unquenchable fire” (Mark 9:43   
   [Gehenna], ESV). He taught that the punishment endures with conscious   
   reality because “their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched”   
   (Mark 9:48 [Gehenna], ESV). He declared a judgment where degrees of   
   suffering differ. It will be “more tolerable on the day of judgment for   
   Sodom” than for Capernaum (Matthew 11:24, ESV). Non-existence cannot   
   vary in severity.   
      
   He said of Judas, “It would have been better for that man if he had not   
   been born” (Mark 14:21, ESV). Non-existence and never existing are   
   identical states. They cannot be compared unless real, conscious   
   judgment awaits.   
      
   You appeal to Isaiah 43:10 to claim yourself as a witness. The problem   
   is that the One you reject is the very Jehovah who spoke those words.   
   John identifies Him when Isaiah “saw His glory and spoke of Him” (John   
   12:41, ESV). Isaiah saw Jehovah. John says Isaiah saw Christ.   
      
   A witness who denies the identity of the One he witnesses about is no   
   witness at all.   
      
   The gospel calls every man to respond to the real Christ. The Christ who   
   is God in the flesh. The Christ who died for our sins and rose again   
   according to the Scriptures (1 Corinthians 15:1–4, ESV). The Christ who   
   alone gives eternal life, who alone saves from the wrath to come, and   
   who alone deserves worship.   
      
   Your claims collapse under the weight of the Scriptures you quote.   
      
   Return to the Word. Let it correct you. Let it reveal the glory of Christ.   
      
      
   --   
   Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (†), and God   
   raised Him from the dead?   
      
   That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death   
   penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death   
   satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John   
   2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your   
   sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.   
      
   On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on   
   the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name   
   of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).   
      
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