XPost: alt.religion.christian, alt.religion.jehovahs-witn   
   From: none@none.non   
      
   On Nov 17, 2025, James wrote   
   (Message-ID:):   
      
   > On Fri, 14 Nov 2025 11:47:41 -0800, Robert<.robert@mu.way>  wrote:   
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   > > On Nov 14, 2025, James wrote   
   > > (Message-ID:):   
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   > > > On Thu, 13 Nov 2025 18:09:08 -0800, Robert<.robert@mu.way>  wrote:   
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   > > > > They claim to be witnesses for Christ.   
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   > > > OK   
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   > > Meaning that you actually agree?   
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   > We witness for Jehovah and His Son.   
      
   Where is there any reference to Yeshua being the Son of Yehovah?   
      
   And why do you tell people about a different Yehovah, that what the Word of   
   God speaks about him?   
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   > > > -- New King James   
   > > > John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life.   
   > > > No one comes to the Father except through Me.   
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   > > Yet you claim that Jesus is not a deity.   
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   > You are mislead. We do claim Jesus is a deity. (look up the word,   
   > "deity") The NWT says that:   
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   > (John 1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,   
   > and the Word was a god.   
      
   That is what the lying NWT says.   
   Now you state that Jesus is not only divine, but a deity?   
   There is no Greek as used in the Bible using caps. FYI theos is theos, aka   
   god is god.   
   There is also no “a” in that verse, other than what deceivers implant.   
      
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   > > So just who is Jehovah that you claim to be witnesses of?   
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   > The universe Creator. The God of all gods. Our spiritual Father. The   
   > One who gave His Son for our lives, that must have broke His heart. We   
   > don't know what a God's grief is like. It must be superlative.   
      
   Yeshua aka Jesus created this world and the universe.   
      
   Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which   
   from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things   
   by Jesus Christ:   
      
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   > > > > They Deny Jesus as God.   
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   > > > OK   
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   > > Meaning again that you actually agree with that statement?   
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   > Yes, we deny Jesus is God. 100%.   
      
   Yet Jesus created all things, see above.   
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   > > > -- New King James   
   > > > 1 Corinthians 11:3 But I want you to know that the head of every man   
   > > > is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.   
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   > > What does that oft repeated quote actually mean to you?   
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   > That Jesus is really and truly the Son of God. While in Heaven with   
   > God, Jesus is inferior to God. The word "inferior" is not normally   
   > associated with Jesus. So if you are offended, let's go the other way.   
      
   God is offended at that statement.   
      
   Jhn 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only   
   had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself   
   equalwith God.   
      
   Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal   
   with God:   
      
   You state that you believe ALL of the scriptures, why not these?   
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   > God is superior to Jesus. And that is how it should be since Jesus was   
   > a Creation of God:   
      
   Php 2:5 For think this within you, which mind was also in Christ Jesus,   
      
   Php 2:6 who subsisting in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal   
   with God,   
      
   Php 2:7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a slave, having become in the   
   likeness of men   
      
   Php 2:8 and being found in fashion as a man, He humbled Himself, having   
   become obedient until death, even the death of a cross.   
      
   Php 2:9 Because of this also God highly exalted Him and gave Him a name above   
   every name,   
      
   Php 2:10 that at the name of Jesus "every knee should bow," of heavenly ones,   
   and earthly ones, and ones under the earth,   
      
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   > -- King James   
   > Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn   
   > of every creature   
      
   Col 1:15 who is the image of the invisible God, First-born of all creation.   
      
   First-born meaning above, or the priviliged title of being over all things.   
   After all, it was he who created all that we see.   
      
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   > What is ‘Christ’?   
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   > The word means "anointed one" and "Messiah". So he is the one the   
   > Bible prophesied to come and save humanity.   
      
   Messiah means “THE Anointed One” as does Christ the Greek form of   
   Messiah.   
      
   Jhn 1:41 This one first found his own brother Simon and tells him, We have   
   found the Messiah (which being translated is, the Christ).   
      
   Jhn 4:25 The woman said to Him, I know that Messiah is coming, the One called   
   Christ. When that One comes, He will announce to us all things.   
      
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   > > > > They claim to the Christians.   
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   > > > If you mean "claim to be", OK   
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   > > Yes, thank you for the grammar correction.   
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   > > So how can you be a christian as opposed to a JW?   
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   > They are one and the same.   
      
   Says who?   
      
   A “Christian” by definition is a follower of Christ. A Christ like one,   
   one in whom the Spirit of God dwells.   
      
   You have already divorced yourself from being one of those recently by   
   denying that you are spiritual, and stating that only 144K JW’s can be   
   spiritual. You claim that you are witnesses of Jehovah yet you divorce   
   yourself from that ideation because you deny that He is the God of Judgment.   
   You also deny Jesus in the same fashion as you claim He would not toss humans   
   alive into the Lake of Fire and Brimstone for eternal judgment. Yet the word   
   of God declares both to be true, that He IS a God of Judgement.   
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   > > > > They deny Jesus is a Deity.   
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   > > > Negatrons. Jesus is "a god":   
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   > > OH? So now you claim that Jesus is a Deity and Divine? Why the little g and   
   > > not G?   
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   > Because he is not G. He is god-like, but not Almighty God. He is not   
   > the Father and not the Holy Spirit, but he HAS Holy Spirit. As he said   
   > here:   
      
   FYT “theos” has no caps. The word clearly speaks to god. Whether it be   
   satan, the god of this world, or Baal as god, or the 1000’s of Hindu gods.   
      
   Jesus is the comforter, so is the Holy Spirit, who is “another comforter”   
   Neither of which you know, or are a part of. Jesus came from Heaven where he   
   was dwelling with God the Heavenly Father. He set aside his Glory to become   
   man. Man like we. Subject to all the trials and temptations as we, yet he did   
   so without sinning. Even after being baptized in with the Holy Spirit, and   
   doing the works of His Heavenly Father, he still yearned for His Former Glory   
   such as he had before the worlds were created. That showed that he knew who   
   he was all along, but being in the fashion of man he humbled himself to be   
   the servant of God. HE! Did not use the scriptures like Satan did and does,   
   to create a false narrative in order to deceive or belittle His Heavenly   
   Father, nor himself.   
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   > - King James   
   > John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come   
      
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