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"Sincerely", "soley from the Bible" and
"Honestly is my middle name"
James wrote:
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>> Romans 10:9–13 lays the inspired argument out step by step. Paul
>> identifies the “Lord” whom we confess as the risen Jesus. He then quotes
>> Joel 2:32 and applies it to Him. “Everyone who calls on the name of the
>> Lord [Kyrios] will be saved” (Romans 10:13, ESV).
> You are into that superstition of the Jews about saying the divine
> name. And tossing in "Lord" for the Tetragrammaton.
>
> As you know, Joel 2:32a says:
>
> -- Darby's Bible
> Joel 2:32 And it shall be that whosoever shall call upon the name of
> Jehovah shall be saved:
>
> Now look what happens when we go to the Greek Septuagint. Joel 2:32 in
> the LXX,
>
> "32 And it shall come to pass whosoever shall call on the name of the
> Lord shall be saved:"
>
> Here you can plainly see, the Jews took out the Tetragrammaton and
> replaced it with "Lord". And that's what they did with the whole
> Bible.
The prophets and apostles leave you with clear revelation, not leave a
conspiracy theory about Jews hiding the divine name. They show why
*Kyrios* belongs exactly where it stands in Romans 10.
Kyrios functions as the regular Greek rendering of YHWH in the
Septuagint because Greek has no word that matches the four-letter name.
The translators did not hide God’s name. They preserved God’s revelation
in a language that lacked an equivalent term. They used *Kyrios* because
it carried the covenant authority bound up with YHWH’s name in Israel’s
Scriptures (Isaiah 42:8). That practice appears long before the New
Testament era.
Paul knows this. He quotes Joel 2:32 using the same established wording
that his readers already used in their Greek Scriptures. Nothing in that
practice weakens the identity of the One being called upon. Instead, it
strengthens the apostle’s argument.
The flow in Romans 10:9–13 works like this:
“If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your
heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans
10:9, ESV).
“Everyone who believes in Him will not be put to shame” (Romans 10:11,
ESV).
“Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved” (Romans
10:13, ESV).
The repeated “Him” of verses 9 and 11 and the repeated subject “Lord”
drive the reader toward one Person—the risen Christ. Paul does not shift
the identity of the Lord in verse 13. He carries the Joel quotation
straight into its fulfillment in the One whom God raised from the dead
(Romans 1:4, ESV).
The apostles read the Septuagint because it was the Bible of the
Greek-speaking world. When they saw *Kyrios* in the Greek text of Joel
2:32, they did not step backward to detach it from Christ. They stepped
forward, because the resurrection placed Him at God’s right hand with
the name above every name (Philippians 2:9–11, ESV). In that passage,
Paul again joins Isaiah’s language about YHWH with Christ, and every
knee bends to Him.
Your claim collapses because the apostolic pattern uses *Kyrios* for the
Lord Jesus in passages that echo Old Testament texts about YHWH. Romans
10 fits that pattern. Peter does the same in Acts 2 when he quotes Joel
and then declares that God has made Jesus both Lord and Christ (Acts
2:36, ESV). He does not return the promise of Joel 2:32 to someone other
than Christ. He directs the crowd to call on Him.
The Bible itself, not later habits about pronunciation, establishes this.
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Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (†), and God
raised Him from the dead?
That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.
On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).
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