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   Wed, 19 Nov 2025 16:08:58 -0500   
   <2l9shklkin6orc51d9c8utj6i8rt3bjidl@4ax.com>   
   "Sincerely", "soley from the Bible" and   
   "Honestly is my middle name"   
   James  wrote:   
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   > the inspired conclusion is   
   >> unavoidable. The saving name of YHWH belongs to Jesus. The apostles did   
   >> not dilute the text. They fulfilled it by showing that every hope   
   >> anchored in YHWH finds its fulfillment in Him.   
      
   > The real conclusion is that the Jews swapped the divine NAME for the   
   > TITLE "Lord". The Septuagint of the 5th century proves it.   
      
      
   There's not a single inspired example where the apostles object to   
   *Kyrios* as the rendering of YHWH, or where they correct the Septuagint   
   for using it.   
      
   Instead, the apostles quote those very passages *as authoritative* and   
   *apply them to Jesus* without hesitation.   
      
   You say the Septuagint proves a corruption, but the apostles preach from   
   that very Septuagint. Their use of *Kyrios* is not a concession to   
   error. It is their Spirit-guided handling of God’s own revelation.   
      
   Here is what the Bible itself forces on you:   
      
   1. *The apostles knew the divine name in Hebrew.*   
      
   Paul studied under Gamaliel (Acts 22:3). He knew the Hebrew text where   
   YHWH appears thousands of times. Yet when he quotes Joel 2:32, he uses   
   the Septuagint’s wording—*Kyrios*—and he places that title *directly on   
   Christ* (Romans 10:9–13).   
      
   2. *Jesus Himself uses *Kyrios* for YHWH.*   
      
   When He cites Psalm 110:1—“The Lord says to my Lord”—He interprets it   
   with *Kyrios* for both the Father and the Messiah (Matthew 22:44, ESV).   
   If the replacement were a corruption, Christ would never build doctrine   
   on it.   
      
   3. *The earliest manuscripts do not contain YHWH in Greek Scripture.*   
      
   You refer to a “5th-century” Septuagint. But the apostles quoted a Greek   
   translation *already in use in the first century*, long before the   
   manuscripts you are imagining.   
      
   No Greek manuscript of Joel, Isaiah, or the Psalms used by the early   
   church contains the Hebrew letters YHWH.   
      
   Your theory requires an earlier textual form no one has ever found and   
   that the apostles themselves never refer to.   
      
   4. *The New Testament repeatedly applies YHWH-texts to Christ using   
   *Kyrios*.*   
      
   This cannot be explained by a translation habit. The apostles interpret   
   these passages, not merely quote them.   
      
   – Joel 2:32 → Romans 10:9–13   
   – Isaiah 40:3 → Matthew 3:3; Mark 1:3; Luke 3:4; John 1:23   
   – Psalm 110:1 → Matthew 22:44; Acts 2:34–36; Hebrews 1:13   
   – Isaiah 45:23 → Philippians 2:10–11   
      
   In every case, the New Testament writers place YHWH’s prerogatives,   
   titles, and worship directly on Christ.   
      
   If the Septuagint’s *Kyrios* for YHWH were a corruption, then:   
      
   • Jesus used the corrupted text.   
   • Peter used the corrupted text.   
   • Paul used the corrupted text.   
   • Hebrews used the corrupted text.   
   • The early church built its doctrine on the corrupted text.   
      
   Yet the Spirit calls their words *God-breathed* (2 Timothy 3:16, ESV).   
      
   5. *The argument that the Jews “removed the name” fails historically.*   
      
   Greek has no equivalent to the tetragrammaton. The translators did not   
   “remove” it. They rendered it with the word that carried the weight of   
   divine authority in Greek—*Kyrios*.   
      
   That is why the same Greek word (*Adonai*) often appears in Hebrew as a   
   substitute for speaking YHWH aloud. Greek simply follows the same pattern.   
      
   6. *The apostles never treat the Septuagint’s rendering as a loss.*   
      
   Instead, they treat it as the proper vessel through which Christ’s   
   identity is revealed.   
      
   Peter’s conclusion after quoting Joel is unambiguous:   
      
         “God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you   
          crucified” (Acts 2:36, ESV).   
      
   The Jews did not assign that name to Him. The Father did.   
      
   Your claim—that the “real conclusion” is a textual corruption—cannot   
   stand because the authoritative interpretation of the text comes from   
   the apostles, not from later reconstruction.   
      
   The apostles treat *Kyrios* as the rightful, Spirit-guided rendering of   
   YHWH in Greek Scripture. And they take that same *Kyrios* and apply it   
   directly to Jesus. That is why anyone who calls on His name finds the   
   salvation Joel promised.   
      
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   raised Him from the dead?   
      
   That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death   
   penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death   
   satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John   
   2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your   
   sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.   
      
   On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on   
   the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name   
   of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).   
      
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