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"Sincerely", "soley from the Bible" and
"Honestly is my middle name"
James wrote:
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>> This lie also collapses before the passages that show the soul survives
>> death.
> That's not what the Bible say. Since man IS A SOUL, when a man dies a
> soul dies:
>
> -- King James
> Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground,
> and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a
> living soul.
>
> When Lazarus died Jesus said he was sleeping. Where was the soul
> Lazarus then?
>
> A soul craves and can eat meat (Deut 12:20)
> A soul has blood (Jer 2:34)
> A soul can die. (Eze 18:4)
>
> Now what do those 3 Scriptures remind you of? Yes, a PERSON.
>
> Now when Rachel was having a hard time giving birth, it says her soul
> left her body.
>
> -- King James
> Genesis 35:18 And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for
> she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him
> Benjamin.
>
> Soul can also mean life, as these translations show.
>
> CEB
> As her life faded away, just before she died, she named him Ben-oni,
> but his father named him Benjamin.
>
> EHV
> Then as her life was slipping away (for she was dying), she named her
> son Benoni, but his father named him Benjamin.
>
> LEB
> And it happened that when her life was departing (for she was dying),
> she called his name Ben-Oni. But his father called him Benjamin.
>
> VOICE
> But as her life slipped away, just before she died, Rachel named her
> son Ben-oni, but his father decided to call him Benjamin instead.
Genesis 2:7 does not teach that man *is only* a soul or that the soul
ceases at death.
It teaches that God formed man’s body from the ground and gave life by
His breath.
The phrase “living soul” (Hebrew *nephesh ḥayyah*) describes a living
person, not the nature of the inner self.
The Old Testament uses *nephesh* in flexible ways: person, life,
appetite, emotion.
That does not mean the soul ends when the body dies. Scripture reveals
the opposite when it speaks clearly about existence after death.
Look at the texts where God gives direct revelation about the state of
man after death:
Jesus said, “Do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the
soul” (Matthew 10:28, KJV; *hell* [Gehenna]).
Killing the body does not touch the soul. That proves the soul continues
when the body dies.
Paul said, “to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord”
(2 Corinthians 5:8).
He described a real departure and a real conscious presence with Christ.
Jesus told the repentant man on the cross, “Today you will be with me in
paradise” (Luke 23:43).
That places a believing man with Christ the same day he died.
Not unconscious. Not extinguished. With Christ.
Revelation shows “the souls of those who had been slain” crying out to
God (Revelation 6:9–10).
They are conscious, speaking, waiting.
Not sleeping. Not extinguished.
You mentioned Lazarus.
When Jesus said, “Lazarus sleeps,” the disciples took Him literally, and
Jesus clarified: “Lazarus is dead” (John 11:11–14).
“Sleep” is a metaphor for bodily death, not soul-extinction.
When Jesus raised him, He did not say the man had no conscious
existence. He simply restored his body.
You also cited Rachel.
Genesis 35:18 says her *nephesh* was departing when she died.
That supports the truth that the inner life continues and leaves the body.
Translators who render *nephesh* as “life” capture the functional sense,
but the narrative still shows something departing from the body at death.
The Old Testament examples you listed (a soul eating meat, having blood,
dying) show that *nephesh* often refers to a whole person.
That is true. But the New Testament reveals more: man has an inner life
that survives the body’s death, and that inner life enters conscious
blessing or conscious judgment.
Jesus warned about *Gehenna*, “where their worm does not die and the
fire is not quenched” (Mark 9:48, ESV; *hell* [Gehenna]).
Worms that do not die and fire that is not quenched have no purpose if
the person ceases to exist.
Jesus taught degrees of judgment—“more tolerable” for some than others
(Matthew 11:22–24).
Degrees require conscious experience.
Jesus said of Judas, “It would have been better for that man if he had
not been born” (Matthew 26:24).
“Not born” equals non-existence.
Something worse than non-existence cannot be extinction.
Paul said unbelievers “will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction
away from the presence of the Lord” (2 Thessalonians 1:9, ESV).
You cannot be “away from” someone if you no longer exist.
Revelation says the lost “have no rest, day or night” (Revelation 14:11,
ESV).
No rest “day or night” cannot describe an extinguished person.
The flexible use of *nephesh* does not overturn the clear revelation God
gives in the New Testament.
The soul continues after death, either with Christ in blessing or
separated from Him in judgment.
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