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Thu, 20 Nov 2025 21:08:18 -0500
"Sincerely", "soley from the Bible" and
"Honestly is my middle name"
James wrote:
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>> You cite 1 Corinthians 11:3 as if order implies inequality in nature. It
>> does not. Christ submits to the Father in His mediatorial role, having
>> taken on flesh for our salvation (Philippians 2:6–8, ESV). Yet in His
>> very nature, He remains “in the form of God” (Philippians 2:6, ESV).
> And we are in God's image. Yes, order does apply to inequality.
> Schwarzenegger vs a 1st grader. For strength, a man is stronger than a
> woman. The President has more authority than you. And God is the head
> of Jesus. Plain and simple.
>
> If you wish to twist it into something else, you are only hurting
> yourself.
>
> And when Jesus went back to Heaven, he wanted all the glory he had
> before he became a human. (Mt 24:30)
>
> -- New King James
> John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with
> the glory which I had with You before the world was.
>
> Thus when Jesus returned to Heaven, he wanted everything he had before
> giving it up to become human. SO JESUS DIDN'T TONE DOWN HIS GLORY TO
> BE IN SUBJECTION TO GOD. (or according to you, to himself) 1st Cor
> 11:3 stands on its own merit of truth.
Christ’s submission to the Father does not diminish His divine nature.
Scripture never treats order as proof of inferiority in essence. It
treats order as part of God’s wise design. A son obeys his father while
sharing the same human nature. A wife submits to her husband while
sharing the same human nature. In the same way, the Son submits to the
Father while sharing the same divine nature.
Philippians states that the Son existed “in the form of God” before His
incarnation (Philippians 2:6, ESV). The phrase morphe theou speaks of
the exact nature or essence of God. The Son did not seize equality with
God as a prize. He already possessed it. He humbled Himself by taking
the form of a servant (Philippians 2:7–8, ESV). That humility speaks to
His role, not His nature.
John records the Son’s request to be restored to the glory He shared
with the Father “before the world was” (John 17:5, ESV). Shared glory
belongs to God alone (Isaiah 42:8, ESV). Yet the Father restores the Son
to that glory. This shows unity of nature, not inequality of essence.
The Father remains the head of Christ (1 Corinthians 11:3). This
describes order within the Godhead, not a hierarchy of being. The Son
carries out the Father’s will in redemption. He does not cease to
possess the divine nature. Scripture holds both truths together. The Son
submits. The Son creates all things (John 1:3, ESV). The Son receives
worship (Hebrews 1:6, ESV). The Son shares the same glory as the Father
(John 17:5, ESV).
Submission does not erase equality of essence. It reveals the perfect
harmony within the one God who works out our salvation.
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Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (†), and God
raised Him from the dead?
That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.
On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).
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