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Wed, 26 Nov 2025 21:16:25 -0500
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Watchtower James wrote:
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> On Thu, 20 Nov 2025 18:04:34 -0600, Christ Rose
> wrote:
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>> Thu, 20 Nov 2025 15:11:52 -0500
>> <3f6uhk55ta73bonnm4lh7muvuvronsuru1@4ax.com>
>> "Sincerely", "soley from the Bible" and
>> "Honestly is my middle name"
>> James wrote:
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>>>> Stupid, brainwashing lie #7: symbolism cancels reality
>>>>
>>>> • Symbolic language communicates real truths consistent with the
>>>> image.
>>>>
>>>> • Revelation (for example) marks symbolism using “like” and
“as” and
>>>> then explains the images plainly (Revelation 1:20, ESV).
>>>>
>>>> • Luke 16:19–31 names Lazarus and reveals conscious comfort and
>>>> conscious torment after death.
>>
>>> It is a parable. Look it up.
>>
>> Luke 16:19–31 never identifies itself as a parable, and it stands apart
>>from every true parable Jesus told.
>>
>> Not one of Jesus’ parables ever names a real historical person.
>> Luke 16 names Lazarus, Abraham, and Moses.
>> Jesus does not invent Abraham and Moses for storytelling. He is
>> describing a real post-death reality.
>
> It is a good theory, but nothing is to stop Jesus from using real
> Bible characters. Who was Lazarus in that parable?
The only "theories" here are the ideas that
• since "nothing is to stop Jesus from using real Bible
characters", He therefore MUST have been telling a parable.
• He must have done here what He does nowhere else in any
parable: fabricate a story about real Bible characters.
• if it's a parable, you get to make it mean the exact opposite
of what it teaches. In no way would a parable which presents
conscious torment immediately after physical death for the
lost, and conscious comfort for the saved indicate: cessation
of existence without torment (your lies).
>> Then
>>
>> Every parable begins with an unmistakable marker:
>> “A sower went out to sow” (Matthew 13:3)
>> “A man planted a vineyard” (Matthew 21:33)
>> “The kingdom of heaven is like…” (Matthew 13:24, 31, 33, 44, 45, 47)
>
> That is your opinion.
The cited verses show it's not just my opinion, but what the Bible says.
You did not refute that from any Bible text. You simply labeled it like
you do everything else. It's your ideas which don't come from Scripture.
> When I did research on that, it showed that most
> all called it a parable.
It doesn't help your view to label it a parable, since parables do not
mean "the exact opposite of the truths they convey" (which is what is
needed to support your view). Thus, if someone suffers conscious torment
immediately after physical death and has no second chance to avoid that,
this does NOT support the conclusion they are simply annihilated.
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sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.
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