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   The Doctor to All   
   Day 332 of my 5th bible Study Journey (2   
   28 Nov 25 16:29:35   
   
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   [20] For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by   
   reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,   
   [21] Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of   
   corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.   
   [22] For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain   
   together until now.   
   [23] And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of   
   the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the   
   adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.   
   [24] For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a   
   man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?   
   [25] But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.   
   [26] Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what   
   we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession   
   for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.   
   [27] And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the   
   Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will   
   of God.   
   [28] And we know that all things work together for good to them that love   
   God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.   
   [29] For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to   
   the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.   
   [30] Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he   
   called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also   
   glorified.   
      
   The Love of God   
      
   31 (Ps 118:6; Ro 4:1) What then shall we say to these things?   
   If God is for us, who can be against us?   
   32 (Jn 3:16; Ro 4:25) He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered   
   Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us   
   all things?   
   33 (Rev 12:10-11; Isa 50:8-9) Who shall bring a charge against God's elect?   
   It is God who justifies.   
   34 (Heb 7:25; Mk 16:19; Ro 8:1) Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who   
   died, yes, who is risen, who is also at the right hand of God,   
   who also intercedes for us.   
   35 (1Co 4:11) Who shall separate us from the love of Christ?   
   Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine,   
   or nakedness, or peril, or sword?   
   36 (Ps 44:22; 1Co 15:30) As it is written:   
   "For Your sake we are killed all day long;   
   we are counted as sheep for the slaughter."(Ps 44:22.)   
   37 (1Co 15:57; Gal 2:20) No, in all these things we are more than   
   conquerors through Him who loved us.   
   38 (Eph 1:21; 1Pe 3:22) For I am persuaded that neither death nor life,   
   neither angels nor principalities nor powers, neither things present   
   nor things to come,   
   39 (Ro 5:8) neither height nor depth, nor any other created thing,   
   shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus   
   our Lord.   
      
   [31] What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be   
   against us?   
   [32] He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how   
   shall he not with him also freely give us all things?   
   [33] Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that   
   justifieth.   
   [34] Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is   
   risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh   
   intercession for us.   
   [35] Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or   
   distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?   
   [36] As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are   
   accounted as sheep for the slaughter.   
   [37] Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that   
   loved us.   
   [38] For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor   
   principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,   
   [39] Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to   
   separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.   
      
   Romans 9   
      
   God's Election of Israel   
      
   1 (Gal 1:20; 1Ti 2:7) I am speaking the truth in Christ, I am not lying;   
   my conscience testifies with me in the Holy Spirit,   
   2 that I have great sorrow and continual anguish in my heart.   
   3 (Ex 32:32; Gal 1:8) For I could wish that I myself were accursed   
   from Christ for my brothers, my kinsmen by race,   
   4 (Eph 2:12; Ge 17:2; Ex 4:22) who are Israelites, to whom belong   
   the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law,   
   the service of God, and the promises,   
   5 (Ro 1:25; 11:28) to whom belong the patriarchs, and from whom,   
   according to the flesh, is Christ, who is over all, God forever blessed. Amen.   
   6 (Gal 6:16; Nu 23:19) It is not as though the word of God has failed.   
   For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel,   
   7 (Ge 21:12; Heb 11:18) nor are they all children because they are   
   descendants of Abraham, but "In Isaac shall your descendants be called."   
   (Ge 21:12.)   
   8 So those who are the children of the flesh are not the children of God,   
   but the children of the promise are counted as descendants.   
   9 (Ge 18:10; 18:14) For this is the word of promise,   
   "At this time I will come, and Sarah shall have a son."   
   (Ex 20:13-15, 17; Dt 5:17-19, 21.)   
   10 (Ro 5:3) Not only that, but Rebekah also had conceived by one man,   
   our father Isaac.   
   11 (Ro 4:17) For before the children had been born, having done   
   neither evil nor good, so that the purpose of God according   
   to election might stand, not of works, but through Him who calls,   
   12 it was said to her, "The elder shall serve the younger."(Ge 25:23.)   
   13 (Mal 1:2-3) As it is written, "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have   
   hated."(Mal 1:2.)   
   14 (2Ch 19:7; Dt 32:4) What shall we say then? Is there   
   unrighteousness with God? God forbid!   
   15 (Ex 33:19) For He says to Moses,   
   "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,   
   and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."(Ex 33:19.)   
   16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs,   
   but of God who shows mercy.   
   17 (Ex 9:16) For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose   
   I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you,   
   and that My name may be proclaimed in all the earth."   
   (Ex 9:16.)   
   18 (Ex 4:21; Dt 2:30) Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills,   
   and He hardens whom He wills.   
      
   [1] I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me   
   witness in the Holy Ghost,   
   [2] That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.   
   [3] For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren,   
   my kinsmen according to the flesh:   
   [4] Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and   
   the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the   
   promises;   
   [5] Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came,   
   who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.   
   [6] Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not   
   all Israel, which are of Israel:   
   [7] Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children:   
   but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.   
   [8] That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the   
   children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.   
   [9] For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara   
   shall have a son.   
   [10] And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by   
   our father Isaac;   
   [11] (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or   
   evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of   
   works, but of him that calleth;)   
      
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