XPost: alt.religion.christian, alt.religion.jehovahs-witn   
   From: none@none.non   
      
   On Dec 1, 2025, James wrote   
   (Message-ID:):   
      
   > On Sat, 22 Nov 2025 19:33:00 -0800, None  wrote:   
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   > > On Nov 22, 2025, James wrote   
   > > (Message-ID:):   
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   > > > On Fri, 21 Nov 2025 19:22:38 -0800, None  wrote:   
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   > > > Re: To James the JW. regarding your theory that God has abandoned the   
   > > > Jew.   
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   > > > It's not my theory, it's a Bible fact:   
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   > > > - International English   
   > > > Luke 13:35a Listen! Your house is completely empty.   
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   > > According to your daffynitions that is a symbolic statement.   
   > > Thus meaningless.   
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   > It's not a symbolic statement, Jesus meant what he said. Does that   
   > mean Jehovah has rejected all Jews, even today?   
      
   First off, where is the house address, what city or town, county, state or   
   country is it in? It you cannot ID it, then it is either not literal, or you   
   just haven’t studied the scriptures so as to find out where it is. Thus   
   meeting the JW doctrines of daffynitions.   
      
   Secondly, your question asking me whether that means that Yehovah rejected   
   all Jews, as it he didn’t counteracts your own statement above that God   
   abandoning the Jews is not your theory but a JW Fact.   
      
   Why do you always say things that are contrary to your ‘JW facts’? Yet   
   keep reiterating your JW Facts as if they were true?   
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   > Not at all. Anyone that does God's will can live forever, including   
   > those of Jewish descent. (1 Joh 2:17) So what did Jesus mean?   
      
   That scripture has nothing to with Jewishness.   
      
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   > God had originally picked a people to do things for Him, such as paved   
   > a way to the Promised Land. They were a "special" people. That is what   
   > Jesus said was taken away.   
      
   This last JW Doctrine is a new one. It counteracts your doctrine of being a   
   spiritual Jew. For a Jew is a Jew. Did the Jews pave the road to the promised   
   land? Build roads in the desert for forty years as they wandered around till   
   those that were weak in faith died off? Were they practicing building roads?   
   Did they build a road across the river to enter the promised land?   
      
   Why are the people of Israel still a chosen people? Why is there a future for   
   them in the millennial kingdom of Jesus?   
      
   Really, why are all these things contrary to the doctrines and dogmas of the   
   JW Org?   
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   > > > - New American with Apocrypha   
   > > > Luke 13:35 Behold, your house will be abandoned.   
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   > > Same with that verse, symbolic. Quoting you from below, "Just keep in mind   
   > > what is literal and what symbolic.”   
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   > Yes, always, esp if you are in the book of Revelation.   
      
   See there? Again you reiterate your chosen doctrine of men. All while using   
   the Book of Revelation as your basis for tossing other things out that   
   don’t fit with your religious beliefs.   
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   > > You cannot play on both sides of the street at the same time.   
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   > As physics puts it, matter cannot be in two places at the same time.   
   > Or be in the same location at the same time.   
      
   Are you therefore acknowledging that I was correct?   
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   > > > So what does that mean? Originally, God chose the Jews as his special   
   > > > people. But when they rejected His Son, God rejected them as his   
   > > > special people.   
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   > > Nope, Originally there were no Jews, no Israelites, no Hebrews.   
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   > We are talking about the time period when Jesus said their house was   
   > abandoned. That was the Mosaic Law era.   
      
   The law still stands, not the Covenant of Law with the Jews, for this time.   
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   > > God never rejected the Jews, some of them, rejected Him. The simple fact of   
   > > the matter is that the disciples were to go to the Jew first, after the   
   LORD   
   > > Jesus Christ was resurrected.   
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   > Negatrons. That command occurred BEFORE Jesus was resurrected. (John   
   > 4:22)   
      
   That verse neither says, nor even infers what you claimed. Now look at Romans   
   1:15. 2:9,10, it does state what I claimed. Note: now can you see why I say   
   to quote the scripture, not just point to something as if it were truth and   
   proof? You are not a person to be trusted with scriptural truth, and you   
   often point to things that have nothing to do with the subject matter. The   
   ones I pointed to, do, and usually I fully quote them instead of pointing to   
   them so that others can see from scripture what I meant without having to   
   look it up, so they can see for themselves.   
      
   Of course, it is a good way of you shielding your statements from doctrinal   
   errors and promoting false teachings.   
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   > > Even though Jesus told the Jews that he had   
   > > another flock to shepherd as well. That does not sound to anyone like he   
   > > rejected them now, does it?   
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   > What do you think Jesus meant then? (Jew's house abandoned)   
      
   Well? Then it is time to actually check the scriptures, eh?   
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   > Jhn 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I   
   must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one   
   shepherd.   
      
   https://bible-history.com/sketches/ancient-sheep-fold   
      
   A fold is Not a house, is it. It is also not a fold.   
      
   So why don’t your doctrines match up with the word of God?   
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   > > In fact, when a person is not willing to turn   
   > > their life over to Jesus, they refuse Him, just like the Jew did. It does   
   > > not   
   > > matter how religious a person is, their heart is not with God, hence His   
   > > statement, “Depart from me, I never knew you”. And to those to whom he   
   > > will say that on Judgment day their response will “But, but, But, I blah   
   > > blah blah” he will respond but so does a salesman.   
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   > Yes, true. They even do things in Jesus' name, etc.   
      
   And as I also pointed out to you recently, doing the “will of God”   
   without being in His Family is also not beneficial to any individual over the   
   long haul. They are still separated from, or ‘dead’ to Christ.   
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   > > > There are many Jews that are JW's. Thus God is not partial,   
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   > > Ooh really? You said above that he was done with them, that he rejected   
   > > them.   
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   > I explained what Jesus meant above. See above.   
      
   Nope, you didn’t, you just threw spaghetti on the wall.   
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   > > There is no Jew that is a “JW” Like the JW they too hold to the   
   ideation   
   > > that Jesus is not Lord, and are even more adamant about it than you.   
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   > We call Jesus the "Lord Jesus" at times. We say the BIBLE doesn't   
   > teach that he is God. That's a false teaching of the churches. We say   
   > what Jesus said about himself; that he was the "Son of God".   
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   > That is also what the angel told Mary who she would give birth to.   
      
   God, who was birthed in the flesh, was of such a high thing to do, that   
      
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