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   You prove that your objections are not based on Scripture. You have no   
   Scriptural correction to offer here. All you have is emotionally charged   
   opposition to the plain truth of the Bible.   
      
   On 12/13/2025 7:58 PM, James wrote:   
   > On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 15:21:43 -0600, Christ Rose   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   >> Why does God allow suffering?   
   >>   
   >> 1. God uses suffering to warn and restrain us from danger   
   >>   
   >>       “Before I was afflicted I went astray, but now I keep your word”   
   >>        (Psalm 119:67, ESV).   
   >>   
   >>       “For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than   
   >>        pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of   
   >>        righteousness” (Hebrews 12:11, ESV).   
   >>   
   >> Pain functions as a warning system. Physical pain alerts us to injury.   
   >   
   > We all know that. The question was why does God permit SUFFERING, not   
   > pain?   
   >   
   > Are children with cancer being disciplined for some reason? Is that   
   > supposed to improve their character? Honest folks want to know why a   
   > God of love permits such things. And that is a legitimate question.   
   >   
   >> Spiritual and circumstantial pain alerts us to danger. Lepers lose the   
   >> ability to feel pain, and as a result they destroy their own bodies   
   >> without realizing it. In the same way, a painless life would allow us to   
   >> wander into sin, pride, and self-destruction without restraint. God uses   
   >> suffering to stop us, awaken us, and turn us back before greater harm comes.   
   >>   
   >> 2. God uses suffering to discipline His children in love   
   >>   
   >>       “The Lord disciplines the one he loves… He disciplines us for our   
   >>        good, that we may share his holiness” (Hebrews 12:6, 10, ESV).   
   >>   
   >> Scripture presents suffering for believers not as punishment, but as   
   >> fatherly discipline. Discipline aims at correction, not condemnation.   
   >> God applies pressure to train His children, reshape desires, and produce   
   >> holiness. This suffering carries purpose, not wrath, and always operates   
   >> within the bounds of love.   
   >   
   > Yes, sounds about right for your torturous hellfire god. God never   
   > intended for His children to suffer anything. And He will once again   
   > make sure that will be fulfilled. Rev 21:3,4,   
   > "3.  And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the   
   > tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they   
   > shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their   
   > God.   
   >   4.  And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there   
   > shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall   
   > there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." (KJV)   
   >   
   >   
   >>   
   >> 3. God uses suffering to produce endurance and maturity   
   >   
   > The Bible God generally doesn't MAKE anyone suffer. That just comes   
   > with an imperfect life. Satan is running the works right now, so we   
   > are not surprised things are in a mess.   
   >   
   > Yes, tell that about suffering to the cancer children at St Jude's   
   > cancer center. Many by now should be more mature than adults.  And as   
   > far as endurance goes,  they don't have much of a choice do they.   
   >   
   >>   
   >>       “You know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness”   
   >>        (James 1:3–4, ESV).   
   >>   
   >>       “We rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces   
   >>        endurance” (Romans 5:3–4, ESV).   
   >   
   > He is referring to mainly adults suffering from religious opposition,   
   > which in Paul's day could be fatal.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> Suffering strengthens faith the way resistance strengthens muscle. God   
   >> uses trials to develop endurance, stability, and spiritual maturity.   
   >> Without pressure, faith remains shallow. With pressure, faith grows roots.   
   >   
   > Actually, faith without works is dead. (James 2:26)   
   >   
   >>   
   >> 4. God uses suffering to deepen dependence on Him   
   >>   
   >>       “We were so utterly burdened beyond our strength… to make us rely   
   >>        not on ourselves but on God who raises the dead” (2 Corinthians   
   >>        1:8–9, ESV).   
   >>   
   >> Suffering exposes self-reliance as an illusion. God allows circumstances   
   >> that exceed our strength so we learn to rest in His power. When we   
   >> cannot rescue ourselves, we learn to trust the God who raises the dead.   
   >   
   > Yes, your god uses hellfire to sharpen their skills. (which don't help   
   > any) The churches' god seems to like pain and torture and agony and   
   > terrible suffering. No wonder why there is so many atheists. I would   
   > probably be one also if I believed the churches stagnated beliefs.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> 5. God uses suffering to display His power through weakness   
   >   
   > You make him sound like a bully,which is exactly what the churches'   
   > god is. They don't know the REAL God of the Bible. A God who loved us   
   > long before we ever loved Him. And He gave His only Son for us   
   > sinners. Don't you think that caused God tremendous hurt? But His love   
   > for us was greater than thinking about Himself.   
   >   
   >>       “We have this treasure in jars of clay, to show that the   
   >>        surpassing power belongs to God and not to us” (2 Corinthians   
   >   
   >   
   >>        4:7, ESV).   
   >>   
   >> God intentionally works through weakness so no one mistakes the source   
   >> of power. Suffering strips away pride and self-confidence, making it   
   >> clear that any endurance, fruit, or perseverance comes from Him.   
   >>   
   >> 6. God uses suffering to make Christ visible in us   
   >>   
   >>       “Always carrying in the body the death of Jesus, so that the life   
   >>        of Jesus may also be manifested in our bodies” (2 Corinthians   
   >>        4:10–11, ESV).   
   >>   
   >> Suffering conforms believers to Christ. As we share in His sufferings,   
   >> His life becomes visible through us. God uses affliction to shape   
   >> Christlike humility, obedience, and hope.   
   >>   
   >> 7. God uses suffering to comfort others through us   
   >>   
   >>       “He comforts us in all our affliction, so that we may be able to   
   >>        comfort those who are in any affliction” (2 Corinthians 1:4,   
   >>        ESV).   
   >>   
   >> God never wastes suffering. He comforts us so we can comfort others.   
   >> Those who have suffered under God’s care become instruments of His   
   >> compassion to others walking the same road.   
   >>   
   >> 8. God uses suffering to advance the gospel   
   >>   
   >>       “What has happened to me has really served to advance the gospel”   
   >>        (Philippians 1:12, ESV).   
   >>   
   >> God uses hardship to spread the message of Christ. Opposition,   
   >> imprisonment, and loss often place the gospel where comfort never would.   
      
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