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Fri, 19 Dec 2025 21:56:49 -0500
Watchtower James wrote:
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> After Jesus was created, all the rest of the things were created
> THROUGH Jesus.
Same stupid, refuted lies over and over, as if you can accomplish with
brain washing what you can't show from your twisted misrepresentations
of Scripture:
Romans 11:36
For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory
forever. Amen. (11:36, ESV)
This verse applies “through” directly to God the Father. If “through”
meant created or secondary in nature, then the Father Himself would be a
created intermediary. That collapses the Watchtower claim. “Through”
describes agency, not origin or rank.
1 Corinthians 8:6
Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and
for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all
things and through whom we exist. (8:6, ESV)
The Father stands as the source (“from whom”), yet Scripture still
distinguishes roles without dividing deity. If “through” means created,
then Paul would be contradicting himself by grounding all existence in
the Father while denying Him creative agency. The Watchtower reading
forces contradiction into the text.
Hebrews 2:10
For it was fitting that he, for whom and by whom all things exist, in
bringing many sons to glory, should make the founder of their salvation
perfect through suffering. (2:10, ESV)
The Father is described as the One “by whom all things exist.” Scripture
assigns ultimate causation to the Father without excluding mediating
language elsewhere. This proves that “through” does not imply
inferiority or created status.
Hebrews 1:2
But in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed
the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. (1:2, ESV)
The same chapter later says the Son is eternal and unchanging (Hebrews
1:10–12). The Son cannot be both created and the Creator of all things.
“Through” here describes the Son’s role in creation, not His origin. The
Watchtower must ignore the chapter’s own context to survive.
Colossians 1:16
For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and
invisible… all things were created through him and for him. (1:16, ESV)
“All things” includes every created category. If the Son were created,
He would fall inside the category of “all things,” which Paul explicitly
says were created through Him. Scripture leaves no room for the Son to
be part of creation.
Proverbs 3:19
The LORD by wisdom founded the earth; by understanding he established
the heavens. (3:19, ESV)
God creates “by” wisdom. Wisdom functions as means, not as a created
helper. The Watchtower argument collapses here, because Scripture
regularly speaks of God acting through attributes without implying those
attributes are creatures.
Psalm 104:24
O LORD, how manifold are your works! In wisdom have you made them all;
the earth is full of your creatures. (104:24, ESV)
Again, God creates through wisdom. No one argues wisdom is a created
being. This shows that “through” language never defines ontology. It
defines action.
Isaiah 44:24
Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb: “I am
the LORD, who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who
spread out the earth by myself.” (44:24, ESV)
God declares He created alone. Scripture still speaks elsewhere of
creation through the Word. Therefore, “alone” does not exclude personal
distinction within God’s own being. It excludes created helpers. This
verse directly refutes the idea that the Son is a created assistant.
John 1:3
All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made
that was made. (1:3, ESV)
John closes every escape hatch. Anything that came into existence did so
through the Word. If the Word Himself were created, He would have to
create Himself, which is impossible. The Watchtower doctrine
self-destructs on this verse alone.
Brief summary
Scripture applies “through” to God the Father, God’s wisdom, and God’s
Word. “Through” describes means of action, not created status. The
Watchtower turns a functional term into an ontological claim, something
the Bible never does. When Scripture says all things were made through
the Son, it excludes the Son from the category of created things and
places Him on the Creator side of the line.
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