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   >> DESCRIBE JESUS' EXECUTION INSTRUMENT. "Come hell or high water", that   
   >> is always the base line.   
   >   
   >To begin, no one needs to "get away" from the fact the Bible says   
   >"staurus", to understand Romans hung patibulum ON THE STAURUS.   
   >   
   >Second, it is not I who seek to get away from the bottom line, but you:   
   >   
   >      • You PRETEND it's necessary to "get away" from "staurus" to   
   >        understand Romans hung patibulum ON THE STAURUS. This is pure   
   >        falsehood (lies). It's like claiming Bible boats couldn't have   
   >        oars, because the Bible says "boats" not "oars". You don't have   
   >        to tell people who "rowed" these boats that they had "oars",   
   >        for them to understand they had oars. When the Bible says   
   >        "staurus", that does not equal "and didn't have a patibulum".   
   >   
   >      • You CITE VERBATIM: "No one disputes that staurus means pole,   
   >        fool!", then PRETEND I tried to "get away" from the word   
   >        "staurus" after you cite me acknowledging it.   
   >   
   >      • You PRETEND that if "all" boats don't have oars (something I   
   >        never claimed), it somehow refutes the fact "Bible" boats had   
   >        oars (what I actually claimed). It does not. The Bible calls   
   >        them "boats", but does not deny they had oars. That's how they   
   >        "rowed" them. Thus again you promote a lie.   
   >   
   >      • You are not arguing against the ACTUAL points being raised,   
   >        because you know your view loses. Instead, you MISREPRESENT the   
   >        views and try to REFRAME them with straw-men of your own   
   >        invention.   
   >   
   >Remember, a falsehood is a lie, whether people believe it to be true or   
   >not. If you promote falsehoods, you promote lies.   
   >   
   >Conclusion   
   >   
   >The fact the Bible uses "staurus" provides ZERO EVIDENCE that Romans did   
   >NOT hang patibulum on the staurus. We know from multiple historical   
   >sources that they did. Trying to maintain an ongoing argument about this   
   >is like trying to claim Bible boats did not have oars because the Bible   
   >says "boat", not "oars".   
      
   The very bottom of the bottom line is what it SAYS, not what it   
   doesn't say. Scriptually, Jesus was executed on a pole. Period.   
      
   Crosses predated Christianity by pagan nations. Thus crosses are   
   highly pagan icons and to use them for Christianity, is unscriptural.   
      
   "THE GOOD NEWS ACCORDING TO JESUS   
   Episode 1: The True Light of the World   
   In this episode, see the amazing events that led up to Jesus’ birth.   
   Watch This Video".   
   See jw.org (12/20/2025)   
   James: zebrabible@proton.me   
      
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