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On 12/20/2025 10:12 AM, James wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Dec 2025 16:54:52 -0600, Christ Rose
> wrote:
>
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>> Wed, 17 Dec 2025 13:48:13 -0500
>>
>> Watchtower James wrote:
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>>>> No one disputes that staurus means pole, fool! The Bible also calls
>>>> boats "boats", not "oars". However, only a MORON would argue that boats
>>>> don't have oars, because it says "boats", not "oars". Romans hung
>>>> patibulum on the staurus, forming a cross. Your whole argument is STUPID
>>>> and UNNECESSARILY DIVISIVE.
>>
>> “When evening came, his disciples went down to the sea, got into
>> a boat...When they had rowed about three or four miles...” (John
>> 6:16–19, ESV)
>>
>>
>>> Well, according to you, I'm a Moron, because not all boats have oars.
>>> For example, Irish coracles, kayaks (paddles not oars), canoes
>>> (paddles).
>>
>> Bible boats had oars.
> The Bible says Jesus died on an upright pole. (even a tree) Period. No
> amount of other reasoning will change that.
In case you're still not getting it, let's make this simple:
1. “boat” ≠ “without oars”
(Mark 6:48–51 assumes rowing without listing oars)
2. “house” ≠ “without doors”
(Genesis 19:10 mentions doors without redefining “house”)
3. “altar” ≠ “without wood”
(Genesis 22:9; Leviticus 1:7–8 assumes wood as part of the altar use)
4. “ark” ≠ “without rooms”
(Genesis 6:14 gives details later; the word “ark” alone does not
deny them)
5. “tabernacle” ≠ “without curtains”
(Exodus 26 explains parts, but the name itself does not negate them)
6. “table” ≠ “without legs”
(Exodus 25:23–30 assumes structure without itemizing basics)
7. “ship” ≠ “without sails”
(Acts 27:17–19 discusses rigging later; “ship” does not deny it)
8. “staff” ≠ “without crook”
(Exodus 4:2–4; the form is not denied by the word)
9. “altar of incense” ≠ “without fire”
(Leviticus 16:12–13 presumes fire without redefining the altar)
10. “throne” ≠ “without seat”
(1 Kings 10:18–20 describes features later; the term never denies them)
11. “pole” ≠ “without crossbeam”
In Scripture and ordinary language, naming a vertical support never
denies attached horizontal elements. A “pole” identifies the main
upright, not every component fastened to it. The word itself does not
exclude a crosspiece unless the text explicitly says so.
Conclusion
A general term names the object, not an inventory of its parts. Absence
must be stated, not assumed. In the same way, “stauros” names the
execution structure; it does not specify or deny the presence of a
crossbeam unless the context explicitly says so.
The lie is that it would be necessary to "change" something to
understand that Romans hung crossbeams on poles.
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