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   >>          strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:” (2   
   >>          Thessalonians 2:10–11, KJV 1900)   
   >>   
   >> Observe: They "believe" a "lie". The fact they "believe" it doesn't   
   >> change the "lie" into "truth" or "unintentional mistake". If you parrot   
   >> falsehoods (lies), what you are saying remains a "lie", whether you   
   >> believe it to be true or not. Don't try to confuse "lie" (falsehood)   
   >> with "lying" (knowingly trying to deceive people).   
   > Boy, are you off the correct road. I have already showed you the REAL   
   > definition of a lie by Webster and others. If you want to make up your   
   > own definition, that is up to you. I will go by the true references.   
   >>   
   >>> You can't get away from the bottom line. THE BIBLE USES STAURUS TO   
   >>> DESCRIBE JESUS' EXECUTION INSTRUMENT. "Come hell or high water", that   
   >>> is always the base line.   
   >> To begin, no one needs to "get away" from the fact the Bible says   
   >> "staurus", to understand Romans hung patibulum ON THE STAURUS.   
   >>   
   >> Second, it is not I who seek to get away from the bottom line, but you:   
   >>   
   >>       • You PRETEND it's necessary to "get away" from "staurus" to   
   >>         understand Romans hung patibulum ON THE STAURUS. This is pure   
   >>         falsehood (lies). It's like claiming Bible boats couldn't have   
   >>         oars, because the Bible says "boats" not "oars". You don't have   
   >>         to tell people who "rowed" these boats that they had "oars",   
   >>         for them to understand they had oars. When the Bible says   
   >>         "staurus", that does not equal "and didn't have a patibulum".   
   >>   
   >>       • You CITE VERBATIM: "No one disputes that staurus means pole,   
   >>         fool!", then PRETEND I tried to "get away" from the word   
   >>         "staurus" after you cite me acknowledging it.   
   >>   
   >>       • You PRETEND that if "all" boats don't have oars (something I   
   >>         never claimed), it somehow refutes the fact "Bible" boats had   
   >>         oars (what I actually claimed). It does not. The Bible calls   
   >>         them "boats", but does not deny they had oars. That's how they   
   >>         "rowed" them. Thus again you promote a lie.   
   >>   
   >>       • You are not arguing against the ACTUAL points being raised,   
   >>         because you know your view loses. Instead, you MISREPRESENT the   
   >>         views and try to REFRAME them with straw-men of your own   
   >>         invention.   
   >>   
   >> Remember, a falsehood is a lie, whether people believe it to be true or   
   >> not. If you promote falsehoods, you promote lies.   
   >>   
   >> Conclusion   
   >>   
   >> The fact the Bible uses "staurus" provides ZERO EVIDENCE that Romans did   
   >> NOT hang patibulum on the staurus. We know from multiple historical   
   >> sources that they did. Trying to maintain an ongoing argument about this   
   >> is like trying to claim Bible boats did not have oars because the Bible   
   >> says "boat", not "oars".   
      
   > The very bottom of the bottom line is what it SAYS, not what it   
   > doesn't say.   
      
      
   The Bible does NOT SAY "without crossbeams". YOU say that, based on   
   principles you here admit are erroneous.   
      
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